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Boring? Come over to plan 9. We have cake, 9p and Doom. You are not alone in your disdain for what has happened to Linux. I even mentioned this the other day to

Boring? Come over to plan 9. We have cake, 9p and Doom. You are not alone in your disdain for what has happened to Linux. I even mentioned this the other day to a degree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25570712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25570712 The big problem is simple interfaces require more effort on the users part which will never happen for a majority of users. And lets face it, people like me, you and most others here are the extreme minority in computing. We aren't afraid of $ vi /etc/config or echo killuser >/n/pcturret/ctl. But writing documentation is boring and "hard" so it never gets done. People start complaining about docs and someone comes up with the bright idea to automate vi /etc/config by replacing it with a poorly thought out contraption that needs binaries and bolted on protocols. That's exactly what dbus is and is best described as duck tape engineering.

Gualdrapo 6y ago
> And lets face it, people like me, you and most others here are the extreme minority in computing. Yesterday one of KDE devs posted an article mentioning this sort of phenomenon and linked to an article depicting it in full[1]. And now that you mention Plan 9 it makes me think, because I always dreamt about Plan9 taking over the world and becoming big and everyone using it, but Plan9 is so great because it has never left the 'geek' circle, while others like Linux (and arguably the BSDs, to a lesser extent) already had. [1] https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
- MisterTea 6y ago
  It's all ego stroking and github stars. The psychopaths write code for the sake of building an ego instead of better software. The only people they are helping is themselves. This is why the 9front/cat-v crowd is cantankerous and the humour as dark and cringy as possible. No likes. No stars. No instagram accounts full of pictures some jerk took in the middle of the sahara to show how shallow they are. We only want well thought out code. Otherwise go away.
pjmlp 6y ago
I prefer Inferno, which is Plan 9 done right.
- MisterTea 6y ago
  Inferno is what modern browsers and mobile OS's wish they were. I'd even venture far and say that If someone were to build a modern browser for plan 9, I'd want it built inside of inferno out of pieces connected and isolated via 9p/namespaces and ran as an application (and bare metal on a tablet). Dis is similar to WASM so you deliver web apps as actual applications. Done. Too bad it's stuck with hard coded 32 bit dependency. It also cant build on 64 bit systems unless they have 32bit compat (windows/linux win here). There's a fork maintained by some 9front users called Purgatorio. Charles Forsyth also still pokes at it and just added Risc-V support. It's not dead, just resting. Patches welcome.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Somehow I like to think there is a little Inferno on Android, although naturally Google messed up the whole story.
6equj5 6y ago
The spookiest thing about Plan 9 is "Working state unknown"[0]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs
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Gualdrapo 6y ago

> And lets face it, people like me, you and most others here are the extreme minority in computing. Yesterday one of KDE devs posted an article mentioning this sort of phenomenon and linked to an article depicting it in full[1]. And now that you mention Plan 9 it makes me think, because I always dreamt about Plan9 taking over the world and becoming big and everyone using it, but Plan9 is so great because it has never left the 'geek' circle, while others like Linux (and arguably the BSDs, to a lesser extent) already had. [1] https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

MisterTea 6y ago
It's all ego stroking and github stars. The psychopaths write code for the sake of building an ego instead of better software. The only people they are helping is themselves. This is why the 9front/cat-v crowd is cantankerous and the humour as dark and cringy as possible. No likes. No stars. No instagram accounts full of pictures some jerk took in the middle of the sahara to show how shallow they are. We only want well thought out code. Otherwise go away.

pjmlp 6y ago

I prefer Inferno, which is Plan 9 done right.

MisterTea 6y ago
Inferno is what modern browsers and mobile OS's wish they were. I'd even venture far and say that If someone were to build a modern browser for plan 9, I'd want it built inside of inferno out of pieces connected and isolated via 9p/namespaces and ran as an application (and bare metal on a tablet). Dis is similar to WASM so you deliver web apps as actual applications. Done. Too bad it's stuck with hard coded 32 bit dependency. It also cant build on 64 bit systems unless they have 32bit compat (windows/linux win here). There's a fork maintained by some 9front users called Purgatorio. Charles Forsyth also still pokes at it and just added Risc-V support. It's not dead, just resting. Patches welcome.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Somehow I like to think there is a little Inferno on Android, although naturally Google messed up the whole story.

6equj5 6y ago

The spookiest thing about Plan 9 is "Working state unknown"[0]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

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