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What you say is crazy. I live in Paris with 12k a year, no holidays and not comfortable but it _is_ a living wage, the minimum wage actually. I can imagine need

What you say is crazy. I live in Paris with 12k a year, no holidays and not comfortable but it _is_ a living wage, the minimum wage actually. I can imagine needing the triple of that if I took holidays and treated myself to nice restaurants and bought fancy clothes. But that's still well below 70k. So if you are the kind of person that consider 70k very low, you are also the kind of person I would remorselessly take the money from.

flyinglizard 6y ago
Paris is a big metro. I’m sure you don’t live in the expensive parts. And what about a family? Retirement? Vacations? Owning your own place? A quick search shows the median salary in Paris is about 50k euros, which is roughly 60k USD. But being on median income is usually not that great anyway.
- jrimbault 6y ago
  Not cassepipe, but also currently living on (less than) minimum wage, in an expensive part of Paris, France. I'm cooking, coding, reading, watching youtube. This year has been "great" for me. Of course I would have liked more comfort, some foods I can't affort but, but I've got a good bed, a good chair, an excellent desk, good cooking knives, an ereader with a practically infinite supply of free books, computers and hard drives (hidden) everywhere in my 20m². I write the kind of code I like to write, I'm not accountable to anyone. (not anonymous you can try to name search me to cross check) I estimate I'd need about 30k€/y to be able to not skip on anything I'd want to do. (usual disclaimers apply: young-ish single man living alone, never had health issues, with no desire to live in any other way, etc)
- cassepipe 6y ago
  Actually you are right as Paris itself is quite small and quite expensive. But Paris is a five minutes walk away so I guess it's fair to say I live in Paris. My point was not arguing on how great I live but that beyond the triple of what I live with, as a single person, I can't imagine how can someone "complain" of only making 50k or beyond, because that's like spitting in the face of the majority of the population that lives with the minimum wage.
conradfr 6y ago
Really? SMIC is 14364€/year. I really doubt it's enough to live in (the real) Paris as a single person in the long run. It's estimated you need around 40k€ to live a modest decent life in Paris.
- cassepipe 6y ago
  That is the "brut" salary. Part of it goes to retirement, health and other stuff I guess. So it would be closer to 1200 actually.

flyinglizard 6y ago

Paris is a big metro. I’m sure you don’t live in the expensive parts. And what about a family? Retirement? Vacations? Owning your own place? A quick search shows the median salary in Paris is about 50k euros, which is roughly 60k USD. But being on median income is usually not that great anyway.

jrimbault 6y ago
Not cassepipe, but also currently living on (less than) minimum wage, in an expensive part of Paris, France. I'm cooking, coding, reading, watching youtube. This year has been "great" for me. Of course I would have liked more comfort, some foods I can't affort but, but I've got a good bed, a good chair, an excellent desk, good cooking knives, an ereader with a practically infinite supply of free books, computers and hard drives (hidden) everywhere in my 20m². I write the kind of code I like to write, I'm not accountable to anyone. (not anonymous you can try to name search me to cross check) I estimate I'd need about 30k€/y to be able to not skip on anything I'd want to do. (usual disclaimers apply: young-ish single man living alone, never had health issues, with no desire to live in any other way, etc)
cassepipe 6y ago
Actually you are right as Paris itself is quite small and quite expensive. But Paris is a five minutes walk away so I guess it's fair to say I live in Paris. My point was not arguing on how great I live but that beyond the triple of what I live with, as a single person, I can't imagine how can someone "complain" of only making 50k or beyond, because that's like spitting in the face of the majority of the population that lives with the minimum wage.

conradfr 6y ago

Really? SMIC is 14364€/year. I really doubt it's enough to live in (the real) Paris as a single person in the long run. It's estimated you need around 40k€ to live a modest decent life in Paris.

cassepipe 6y ago
That is the "brut" salary. Part of it goes to retirement, health and other stuff I guess. So it would be closer to 1200 actually.