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I am curious about a thing I read about Sweden, and would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this as a Swede: is it true that nursing home inhabitants per
by fab1an 6y ago
I am curious about a thing I read about Sweden, and would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this as a Swede: is it true that nursing home inhabitants per default (and regardless of a pandemic) do not get ICU level care anyway?
In Germany, you typically get 100% care unless you have specified that you do not want it (or your relatives make this difficult call). So the triage threat has been described by doctors as something along the lines of "we would effectively no longer try to treat a 90 year old nursing home patient with severe dementia in our ICU"
- CuriousSkeptic 6y ago> is it true that nursing home inhabitants per default (and regardless of a pandemic) do not get ICU level care anyway? No All Swedes have the right to the best possible care based on the individuals needs In coordination with the patient and/or next of kind it’s possible to take decisions to exclude life preserving care if it is determined to be in the best interest for the individual It is never up to the care giver to take such decisions
- collyw 6y ago> is it true that nursing home inhabitants per default (and regardless of a pandemic) do not get ICU level care anyway? That's the case here in Spain for at least some of the oldest patients. Anaesthetizing someone frail and putting a ventilator down their throat stresses the system a lot, so isn't worth the risk - according to a doctor I know who was on the front lines. It sounded like standard medical practice (and she has worked in other countries).
- frenchy 6y agoThere's a bit of a difference though between "all nursing home patients" and "the exceedingly frail ones". This might vary between countries to, as people in some countries might get put in nursing homes sooner than others.