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I like the BSD simplicity, but it's not just hardware, it's software. I want to spin up an X stack in docker? Can't do that, docker doesn't work. There's jails

I like the BSD simplicity, but it's not just hardware, it's software. I want to spin up an X stack in docker? Can't do that, docker doesn't work. There's jails but without any image repositories I'm trading a lot of convenience for simplicity. There's also software like dotnetcore which will just not build. The situation in the desktop is even more problematic. I wish it wasn't so, I like the separation of concerns quite a bit with FreeBSD but it's not something that unfortunately fits my use cases.

infofarmer 6y ago
Some people run BSD to avoid needing containers. There are different approaches to keeping the entropy under control.
vermaden 6y ago
Try BastilleBSD - https://bastillebsd.org/ https://bastillebsd.org/ - which uses FreeBSD Jails and offers templates/images for many use cases - https://gitlab.com/bastillebsd-templates https://gitlab.com/bastillebsd-templates
musicale 6y ago
> docker doesn't work Doesn't work on macos or windows either; macos "docker" uses a linux VM. Personally I prefer jails anyway.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Docker on Windows exists in two variants, one of them uses windows containers.
  - musicale 6y ago
    Pretty sure to run a Linux docker image it uses a Linux kernel; as you know, the current WSL is implemented as a Linux kernel running in Hyper-V, i.e. a Linux VM. I am not an expert in Windows though; perhaps you are referring to a version of docker that I'm not familiar with which doesn't support Linux services but instead runs Windows services in a native Windows container system? That would be cool and interesting but obviously it wouldn't run most docker images.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      There are docker images for Windows software, and those are the ones I care about, which yes are based on Windows containers that are even capable of running directly on top of hyper-v, bypassing most of the kernel fat.

infofarmer 6y ago

Some people run BSD to avoid needing containers. There are different approaches to keeping the entropy under control.

vermaden 6y ago

Try BastilleBSD - https://bastillebsd.org/ https://bastillebsd.org/ - which uses FreeBSD Jails and offers templates/images for many use cases - https://gitlab.com/bastillebsd-templates https://gitlab.com/bastillebsd-templates

musicale 6y ago

> docker doesn't work Doesn't work on macos or windows either; macos "docker" uses a linux VM. Personally I prefer jails anyway.

pjmlp 6y ago
Docker on Windows exists in two variants, one of them uses windows containers.
- musicale 6y ago
  Pretty sure to run a Linux docker image it uses a Linux kernel; as you know, the current WSL is implemented as a Linux kernel running in Hyper-V, i.e. a Linux VM. I am not an expert in Windows though; perhaps you are referring to a version of docker that I'm not familiar with which doesn't support Linux services but instead runs Windows services in a native Windows container system? That would be cool and interesting but obviously it wouldn't run most docker images.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    There are docker images for Windows software, and those are the ones I care about, which yes are based on Windows containers that are even capable of running directly on top of hyper-v, bypassing most of the kernel fat.