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Foe the sake of argument I put it rather bluntly: I don't think this happened by accident but on purpose. There is simply no way to end up in a situation where

by 5tefan 6y ago

Foe the sake of argument I put it rather bluntly: I don't think this happened by accident but on purpose. There is simply no way to end up in a situation where you use forced labor by accident. Poverty and forced labor are just the other side of wealth and freedom. Same coin. Someone has to to pay the price. Earth's ressources are limited and if not shared you'll end up where we currently are.

wolverine876 6y ago
> Poverty and forced labor are just the other side of wealth and freedom. Same coin. Someone has to to pay the price. For me to be free, someone else must lose their freedom? There's a finite amount of freedom? For me to be wealthy, someone else must be poor? There's a finite amount of economic output? Both completely reject reality and well-established theory (such as economics). Both freedom and wealth per capita have expanded enormously.
- 5tefan 6y ago
  Some examples. Some might be good others less. But I want to convey something. Your freedom to kill people is limited to zero to ensure their right to live. Our freedom to pollute the environment is limited by nature's ability to compensate. My freedom to watch the latest shows for free is limited by e.g. Netflix to earn some money. You are free to by e.g. Apple stuff. But you know... seems to limite quite some people's freedom. I'm not free to live by the sea. To expensive. I say therfore freedom of choice does not translate to freedom bit it is often confused to be the latter The other thing is simply inflation. Too much money around and you have it. Kind of offer and demand out of balance. For any given state of the earth's economy there is a perfect amount of money to keep everthing going. That means the amount of money is finite. If the economy growth the amount of money can grow as well (what you described). But is is still finite unless you want to have inflation. But if this money is disproportinally distributed you have the rich and the poor. Being rich requires poverty somewhere else.

by 5tefan 6y ago

wolverine876 6y ago

> Poverty and forced labor are just the other side of wealth and freedom. Same coin. Someone has to to pay the price. For me to be free, someone else must lose their freedom? There's a finite amount of freedom? For me to be wealthy, someone else must be poor? There's a finite amount of economic output? Both completely reject reality and well-established theory (such as economics). Both freedom and wealth per capita have expanded enormously.

5tefan 6y ago
Some examples. Some might be good others less. But I want to convey something. Your freedom to kill people is limited to zero to ensure their right to live. Our freedom to pollute the environment is limited by nature's ability to compensate. My freedom to watch the latest shows for free is limited by e.g. Netflix to earn some money. You are free to by e.g. Apple stuff. But you know... seems to limite quite some people's freedom. I'm not free to live by the sea. To expensive. I say therfore freedom of choice does not translate to freedom bit it is often confused to be the latter The other thing is simply inflation. Too much money around and you have it. Kind of offer and demand out of balance. For any given state of the earth's economy there is a perfect amount of money to keep everthing going. That means the amount of money is finite. If the economy growth the amount of money can grow as well (what you described). But is is still finite unless you want to have inflation. But if this money is disproportinally distributed you have the rich and the poor. Being rich requires poverty somewhere else.