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> If efficient reactions had been taken in January, a lot of things had been easier. What would have been easier? Germany reacted quickly and now have a lot o

by polote 6y ago

> If efficient reactions had been taken in January, a lot of things had been easier. What would have been easier? Germany reacted quickly and now have a lot of death > of course watch international travel closely. If you close down flights, close down all travels How do you close borders like the France - Switzerland that a lot of people cross everyday to go to work? > lock down quickly and hard where neccessary, especial with local outbreaks What do you do after the lockdown if you were not able to make it to to 0 cases? > Going forward, if you have symptoms of any infectious disease, wear a fucking mask there is still no proof that mask wearing did reduce the transmission of covid you make it sounds like you have all the answers but that's not that easy

_ph_ 6y ago
I don't claim to have all the answers, but these things could have been done and reduced the impact of the pandemic. How do I know this? Because it has been done by quite a few countries which did not have as much of a problem with the pandemic as the west had. Take Korea, Taiwan, New Sealand, Vietname, there are probably others. Japan also did much better than the west. A few comments to the points you noted. - Germany reacted at the end of February (I am from Germany), which was pretty late considering the international outbreaks, there were quite a few infections in Germany during February. But for the first wave, Germany reacted just in time to avoid a lot of deaths (<10k), but completely failed at preventing the 2nd wave. But even the first lockdown might have been prevented by acting in early february. Carnival was allowed to take place and it was one major outbreak, the other was Ischg in Austria. - Borders to France and Swizerland had been eventually closed. When it was pretty late. But I was more referring to the US reaction, which banned travel from China only and much later (to late) from Europe, which is still in place, but allow travel via Turkey, which is what all Europeans going to the US are using. - If you handle local outbreaks quickly, you can get infections down to 0 in the affected region. - There is plenty of evidence, that masks reduce the transmission of Covid-19, but I was also speaking in a general sense, as I said "any infectious disease". There is no need to spread the cold or flu as quickly as we used to do. As far as I know, since the pandemic, the flu numbers are down a lot, as hygene works.
- polote 6y ago
  > - If you handle local outbreaks quickly, you can get infections down to 0 in the affected region. This is not true for a country like Germany, you would have to hard lockdown for some time and close all borders, and then verify any person who cross the border, and free move in Europe won't make that possible unless all EU countries do it. If you are an island things gets easier in that matter. The ONLY country which were able to go to zero after a big outbreak is China
  - _ph_ 6y ago
    Yes, after a big outbreak. I was talking about the time, when there were a few single cases. In Munich, this worked once, in Heinsberg, it mostly worked, but there the spread was larger due to the infected attending an event. And a lot of cases in Germany were caused by one person in Ischgl which acted completely foolish.

by polote 6y ago

_ph_ 6y ago

I don't claim to have all the answers, but these things could have been done and reduced the impact of the pandemic. How do I know this? Because it has been done by quite a few countries which did not have as much of a problem with the pandemic as the west had. Take Korea, Taiwan, New Sealand, Vietname, there are probably others. Japan also did much better than the west. A few comments to the points you noted. - Germany reacted at the end of February (I am from Germany), which was pretty late considering the international outbreaks, there were quite a few infections in Germany during February. But for the first wave, Germany reacted just in time to avoid a lot of deaths (<10k), but completely failed at preventing the 2nd wave. But even the first lockdown might have been prevented by acting in early february. Carnival was allowed to take place and it was one major outbreak, the other was Ischg in Austria. - Borders to France and Swizerland had been eventually closed. When it was pretty late. But I was more referring to the US reaction, which banned travel from China only and much later (to late) from Europe, which is still in place, but allow travel via Turkey, which is what all Europeans going to the US are using. - If you handle local outbreaks quickly, you can get infections down to 0 in the affected region. - There is plenty of evidence, that masks reduce the transmission of Covid-19, but I was also speaking in a general sense, as I said "any infectious disease". There is no need to spread the cold or flu as quickly as we used to do. As far as I know, since the pandemic, the flu numbers are down a lot, as hygene works.

polote 6y ago
> - If you handle local outbreaks quickly, you can get infections down to 0 in the affected region. This is not true for a country like Germany, you would have to hard lockdown for some time and close all borders, and then verify any person who cross the border, and free move in Europe won't make that possible unless all EU countries do it. If you are an island things gets easier in that matter. The ONLY country which were able to go to zero after a big outbreak is China
- _ph_ 6y ago
  Yes, after a big outbreak. I was talking about the time, when there were a few single cases. In Munich, this worked once, in Heinsberg, it mostly worked, but there the spread was larger due to the infected attending an event. And a lot of cases in Germany were caused by one person in Ischgl which acted completely foolish.