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To those that degraded my comment: what I said is what I believe. Disagreeing is not a valid reason to put down the other person's opinion. If you want a debate

To those that degraded my comment: what I said is what I believe. Disagreeing is not a valid reason to put down the other person's opinion. If you want a debate, let's have it, but you have to respect what I say unless you prove that I'm wrong.

VladRussian 15y ago
>you have to respect what I say unless you prove that I'm wrong the ideology is like a religion, both are outside of the realm of reason, any attempts to prove something in that realm is stupid and futile. Respect it? What for?
- spottiness 15y ago
  Respect if you don't have a better argument. Better in terms of logic, facts, and science. Respect if the other person is following logical implications. Religion is very easy to prove wrong, using logic, facts, and science. Disregarding another person's opinion just because you disagree, without explaining by way of logic why you're right and the other person is wrong, is axiomatically wrong. By the way, and this is just a suggestion to HN, those that down-vote based on whims or disagreements should be heavily penalized. It's correct to down-vote spam, trolls, offensive postings, or comments that add nothing, but it's very wrong to discard what others say simply because it's not the music that the powerful button clickers want to hear.
- spottiness 15y ago
  VladRussian, I welcome your comment and your questions, and I responded. A question for you: Did you down-vote my comment?
  - VladRussian 15y ago
    Of course, and i explained why. You posted an ideology bit, a propaganda, and it litters discussion. Hundreds years ago, considering the body of knowledge back then, the ideas of the flat Earth or the ability of free market to exist on its own magic without necessary role of government were a reasonable theories. Today these ideas exist only as components of religious or ideological platforms, well outside of the body of scientific knowledge. >Religion is very easy to prove wrong, using logic, facts, and science. No. Check any good book or university course on the philosophy of science. Religion and "logic, facts, and science" are completely disjoint realms, and have no connection, intersection or whatsoever relation. Just for illustration : any of the following 5 ideas for example - "God created evolution", "God doesn't exist", "The Earth is flat as created by God", "There is only one God", "There are five Gods" - aren't in logical contradiction with each other as they belong to the realm of religion which is outside of the world of logic and science where notion of logical contradiction exists and limited to. The same way, any and all the 5 together of these ideas have no relation to or any effect on or affected in any way by any of the established scientific facts, like for example, evolution, pie=3.14... or "the Earth is round and flies around Sun" - as the facts belong to the realm of science which is disjoint with the realm of religion where the above mentioned ideas belong to. >Respect if you don't have a better argument. Better in terms of logic, facts, and science. Respect if the other person is following logical implications. once you have it and do it, i guess you'll see the respect you want.
    - spottiness 15y ago
      We can't talk if you have a magic button that fades my comments away and I don't. Thanks for your honesty though. As a way to balance our powers, I left you a blackspot for everyone to read at http://www.spottiness.com/spots/JEM5U01L http://www.spottiness.com/spots/JEM5U01L If you had your email address in your HN profile, I would have sent you a code that allows you to respond.

VladRussian 15y ago

>you have to respect what I say unless you prove that I'm wrong the ideology is like a religion, both are outside of the realm of reason, any attempts to prove something in that realm is stupid and futile. Respect it? What for?

spottiness 15y ago
Respect if you don't have a better argument. Better in terms of logic, facts, and science. Respect if the other person is following logical implications. Religion is very easy to prove wrong, using logic, facts, and science. Disregarding another person's opinion just because you disagree, without explaining by way of logic why you're right and the other person is wrong, is axiomatically wrong. By the way, and this is just a suggestion to HN, those that down-vote based on whims or disagreements should be heavily penalized. It's correct to down-vote spam, trolls, offensive postings, or comments that add nothing, but it's very wrong to discard what others say simply because it's not the music that the powerful button clickers want to hear.
spottiness 15y ago
VladRussian, I welcome your comment and your questions, and I responded. A question for you: Did you down-vote my comment?
- VladRussian 15y ago
  Of course, and i explained why. You posted an ideology bit, a propaganda, and it litters discussion. Hundreds years ago, considering the body of knowledge back then, the ideas of the flat Earth or the ability of free market to exist on its own magic without necessary role of government were a reasonable theories. Today these ideas exist only as components of religious or ideological platforms, well outside of the body of scientific knowledge. >Religion is very easy to prove wrong, using logic, facts, and science. No. Check any good book or university course on the philosophy of science. Religion and "logic, facts, and science" are completely disjoint realms, and have no connection, intersection or whatsoever relation. Just for illustration : any of the following 5 ideas for example - "God created evolution", "God doesn't exist", "The Earth is flat as created by God", "There is only one God", "There are five Gods" - aren't in logical contradiction with each other as they belong to the realm of religion which is outside of the world of logic and science where notion of logical contradiction exists and limited to. The same way, any and all the 5 together of these ideas have no relation to or any effect on or affected in any way by any of the established scientific facts, like for example, evolution, pie=3.14... or "the Earth is round and flies around Sun" - as the facts belong to the realm of science which is disjoint with the realm of religion where the above mentioned ideas belong to. >Respect if you don't have a better argument. Better in terms of logic, facts, and science. Respect if the other person is following logical implications. once you have it and do it, i guess you'll see the respect you want.
  - spottiness 15y ago
    We can't talk if you have a magic button that fades my comments away and I don't. Thanks for your honesty though. As a way to balance our powers, I left you a blackspot for everyone to read at http://www.spottiness.com/spots/JEM5U01L http://www.spottiness.com/spots/JEM5U01L If you had your email address in your HN profile, I would have sent you a code that allows you to respond.