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https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-... Catastrophic? They are pret
by collyw 6y ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...
Catastrophic? They are pretty average for Europe. Cherry picking countries to compare it to makes little sense, as there are numerous factors other than geographical location that affect the virus. > 50% of the deaths occurred in care homes, as Sweden (like many other countries) sent older patients to them. Which is pretty much the opposite of what was I was suggesting.
- ngrilly 6y agoI’d be really curious to know why your fact-based comment is downvoted.
- jamienicol 6y agoBecause they claimed that elderly patients were sent to care homes. I guess you could argue this is "fact based" in that it's a distortion of the facts. Because they argued that comparing Sweden to it's similar neighbour is "cherry picking", and yet cherry picked a much less suitable group - the whole of Europe - because it suited their argument. Because they, without any facts, imply that Sweden's high death toll could be avoided by putting the elderly in hotels
- collyw 6y agoWhy is the first point a distortion of the facts? You don't give a reason for why the whole of Europe is less suitable than it's immediate neighbours (geographic location is only a small part of the puzzle). I didn't say the third one at all.
- f6v 6y agoThere're so many ways to lie with statistics.
- vesinisa 6y agohttps://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN~DEU~EST®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&pickerSort=desc https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS... Here is the Swedish COVID death toll per million plotted against comparable countries in Northern Europe. Sweden is a clear outlier, and there is little debate that their lax strategy was the reason. What are you suggesting exactly? That old people with medical issues are quarantined in empty hotels? So we can protect the civil liberties of those who are less vulnerable?
- zelos 6y agoIt would be interesting to determine the effects of things like population density and urbanisation on the death rate. Sweden is a pretty sparsely populated country I think, which presumably acts to reduce the rate of spreading?
- ptaipale 6y agoSweden has a population density and urbanisation rate that is somewhat higher than Norway or Finland, but Denmark is far more dense. However, Sweden's infection rate is far higher than Denmark's. Of course here we are comparing a fairly small data set. But fortunately our friends at Our World In Data have collected a nice graph of it: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-death-rate-vs-population-density?minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=latest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-death-rate-vs-po... As you can see, it's not easy to draw a trendline that would show that a higher population density would produce higher covid infection rate. Basically, the pattern is what you get from a shotgun.
- collyw 6y agoPopulation density is a red herring on it's own. Spain has a relatively low population density, but the cities are probably some of the most dense in Europe. Likewise 1/3 of Swedes live in cities, while there are huge areas that are very sparsely populated in the north.
- seanieb 6y agoThe comparison is to its neighbors who have similar demographics, economics, density, etc.
- jamienicol 6y agoYes, putting the elderly in to hotels is the exact opposite of putting them in to care homes.
- heyoni 6y agoYou're just all over this thread spreading misinformation. Why?