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> no-one who got the vaccine was hospitalised or got seriously ill due to Covid. Whereas in the control group there were 10 serious cases and one death. I can

by lucb1e 6y ago

> no-one who got the vaccine was hospitalised or got seriously ill due to Covid. Whereas in the control group there were 10 serious cases and one death. I can only imagine what it must be like for these researchers. You give some people a dummy and let them get seriously ill and one even dies. No idea what else we could possibly do, this is probably just how this must be for the greater good, but wow must that feel horrible for everyone involved. You have to tell the family "Sorry, she was in the control group!" Peak 2020 moment for everyone involved right there.

collyw 6y ago
We are happy to ignore hydroxychloroquine despite numerous studies showing positive effects (as well as numerous studies showing no effect). It seems to have been dismissed based on a study that was later retracted. It certainly seems to warrant more investigation than it received. Likewise with ivermectin. Instead we push for rushed vaccines, with nothing known about possible long term side effects This study for example was far larger than the retracted study in the Lancet. https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid19-breaking-news-august-28-2020-new-belgian-large-cohort-study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-significantly-reduces-mortality/ https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid1...
disabled 6y ago
Double blind trials are the standard for establishing efficacy. Unfortunately, there is no ethical way of getting around the problem you mentioned.
- WitCanStain 6y ago
  We should have been doing challenge trials from the start. Hundreds of thousands of lives if not more could have been saved, and people of sound mind could have decided for themselves if they want to participate and accept the risk. I know I would have.
  - kenhwang 6y ago
    I wonder if more authoritarian governments like China or Russia would be willing to do challenge trials. Outside of ethical concerns, it comes with other complications, like how to design infecting the challengers so that it would be representative of real world infection/viral load.

by lucb1e 6y ago

collyw 6y ago

We are happy to ignore hydroxychloroquine despite numerous studies showing positive effects (as well as numerous studies showing no effect). It seems to have been dismissed based on a study that was later retracted. It certainly seems to warrant more investigation than it received. Likewise with ivermectin. Instead we push for rushed vaccines, with nothing known about possible long term side effects This study for example was far larger than the retracted study in the Lancet. https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid19-breaking-news-august-28-2020-new-belgian-large-cohort-study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-significantly-reduces-mortality/ https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid1...

disabled 6y ago

Double blind trials are the standard for establishing efficacy. Unfortunately, there is no ethical way of getting around the problem you mentioned.

WitCanStain 6y ago
We should have been doing challenge trials from the start. Hundreds of thousands of lives if not more could have been saved, and people of sound mind could have decided for themselves if they want to participate and accept the risk. I know I would have.
- kenhwang 6y ago
  I wonder if more authoritarian governments like China or Russia would be willing to do challenge trials. Outside of ethical concerns, it comes with other complications, like how to design infecting the challengers so that it would be representative of real world infection/viral load.