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There's a chapter in one of the Great Brain books where their family is the first in town to get an indoor flush toilet. Everyone else is agog--why would you wa

by Zanni 6y ago

There's a chapter in one of the Great Brain books where their family is the first in town to get an indoor flush toilet. Everyone else is agog--why would you want a filthy, stinky outhouse inside your house?

TeMPOraL 6y ago
Sure. Now imagine the toilet came as a subscription service, with DRM restricting you to premium brands of toilet paper and cleaning products, and built-in sensors that secretly analyze the chemical composition of your excrement, collecting data which the vendor sends to advertisers. Oh, and the toilet is always connected, which means it'll stop working if you lose power, Internet, or if the vendor abandons it or goes out of business. That's the problem I have with technology today. All new inventions come with some degree of this bullshit. I'm no longer excited about any new technology - because the businesses productizing it will almost surely ruin it.
- delaaxe 6y ago
  Not too far off from Japanese toilets
- aj7 6y ago
  You’re not wrong, but my philosophy is to use these things only as long as they’re friendly. I had “free” Netflix until a few days ago. I enjoyed it, but not enough to subscribe. I’ll just move on.
- typeformer 6y ago
  You can’t use some restrooms in China without a face scan.
- fsflover 6y ago
  > All new inventions come with some degree of this bullshit. I'm no longer excited about any new technology - because the businesses productizing it will almost surely ruin it. Then you could consider company Purism, https://puri.sm/products https://puri.sm/products, who offers lifetime updates for their devices, FLOSS, no DRM.
  - rapnie 6y ago
    I love Purism with that stance. There are a handful of other companies that I consider "sustainable businesses", based on proper ethics and values and following humane practices. They are hard to come by, and often struggle to get enough revenue. I would like to do ever more biz with these type of companies, prefer and consume their products to the other BS. Where can I find lists, directories and such that keep track of these sustainable businesses? Any good resources around?
    - fsflover 6y ago
      https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ https://www.defectivebydesign.org/guide https://www.defectivebydesign.org/guide https://ryf.fsf.org https://ryf.fsf.org
- ignoramous 6y ago
  I think it is more of a land grab, "capturing the value" as it were, that's prompting this rot in the tech industry. And as with anything on the Internet, it is either ruined by the advertisment dollars or pressures of taking VC money. The new-age investors (post-2005), though, "founder friendly", tend to somehow favour extreme user hostile behaviour because "growth".
- panta 6y ago
  There was a time when inventions where products. The businesses saw their inventions as products, to be sold to people, which would become owners. Now it seems that businesses are constantly trying to invent new... crowbars, to leverage their users in novel ways. Products belong to the past, there are only services. /rant

by Zanni 6y ago

TeMPOraL 6y ago

Sure. Now imagine the toilet came as a subscription service, with DRM restricting you to premium brands of toilet paper and cleaning products, and built-in sensors that secretly analyze the chemical composition of your excrement, collecting data which the vendor sends to advertisers. Oh, and the toilet is always connected, which means it'll stop working if you lose power, Internet, or if the vendor abandons it or goes out of business. That's the problem I have with technology today. All new inventions come with some degree of this bullshit. I'm no longer excited about any new technology - because the businesses productizing it will almost surely ruin it.

delaaxe 6y ago
Not too far off from Japanese toilets
aj7 6y ago
You’re not wrong, but my philosophy is to use these things only as long as they’re friendly. I had “free” Netflix until a few days ago. I enjoyed it, but not enough to subscribe. I’ll just move on.
typeformer 6y ago
You can’t use some restrooms in China without a face scan.
fsflover 6y ago
> All new inventions come with some degree of this bullshit. I'm no longer excited about any new technology - because the businesses productizing it will almost surely ruin it. Then you could consider company Purism, https://puri.sm/products https://puri.sm/products, who offers lifetime updates for their devices, FLOSS, no DRM.
- rapnie 6y ago
  I love Purism with that stance. There are a handful of other companies that I consider "sustainable businesses", based on proper ethics and values and following humane practices. They are hard to come by, and often struggle to get enough revenue. I would like to do ever more biz with these type of companies, prefer and consume their products to the other BS. Where can I find lists, directories and such that keep track of these sustainable businesses? Any good resources around?
  - fsflover 6y ago
    https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ https://www.defectivebydesign.org/guide https://www.defectivebydesign.org/guide https://ryf.fsf.org https://ryf.fsf.org
ignoramous 6y ago
I think it is more of a land grab, "capturing the value" as it were, that's prompting this rot in the tech industry. And as with anything on the Internet, it is either ruined by the advertisment dollars or pressures of taking VC money. The new-age investors (post-2005), though, "founder friendly", tend to somehow favour extreme user hostile behaviour because "growth".
panta 6y ago
There was a time when inventions where products. The businesses saw their inventions as products, to be sold to people, which would become owners. Now it seems that businesses are constantly trying to invent new... crowbars, to leverage their users in novel ways. Products belong to the past, there are only services. /rant