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The market did not moved to mobile. Mobile is alongside desktop. People like diversity and mobile offered another one. And people who have only mobile in their

The market did not moved to mobile. Mobile is alongside desktop. People like diversity and mobile offered another one. And people who have only mobile in their homes are poor that can't afford desktop but I see mobile as a gateway drug to desktop. Once people will have enough money, will also buy desktop exactly because mobile hooked them in the first place.

macintux 6y ago
The numbers to this point disagree, and I don't think you'll find a lot of support for your prediction of a change in direction. https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/mobile-desktop-internet-usage-statistics https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/mobile-desktop-internet...
- nitrogen 6y ago
  You can't really use percentages to say that something has declined if the whole pie is growing, and web use is maybe the one thing that looks least favorable for desktops.
  - macintux 6y ago
    Ok, here are absolute numbers. PC sales look stagnant at best. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263393/global-pc-shipments-since-1st-quarter-2009-by-vendor/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263393/global-pc-shipmen...
    - krisroadruck 6y ago
      That's a tale of saturation. Toaster sales are probably relatively flat as well. Not because toaster use has declined but because people already have a toaster that meets their toasting needs. PC improvements have slowed to a crawl over the past decade in terms of real-world performance gains for the average consumer. Their 5 year old rig still manages to surf the web, stream videos, play games and send emails just fine so they see no reason to upgrade. Another 4 cores or the jump from 14nm+ to 14nm++++ isn't justifiable for the average user. That said I bet the combination of COVID + AMD really coming out swinging the past 2 years might make for a bit of an anomalous spike.
      - macintux 6y ago
        Well, smartphone sales have saturated at 1.5 billion while PC sales are around 75 million. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263437/global-smartphone-sales-to-end-users-since-2007/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263437/global-smartphone... The original proposition was that desktop sales would rise with mobile sales (with a lag time), and that's clearly not the case to this point, and there are no indicators that will ever be true.
        krisroadruck 6y ago
        Have to agree with you there, smartphones are still seeing 2-3 year turn over that PCs no longer enjoy. Because they are small and visible out and about you have a second motivator for replacement besides straight improvement pressure. People using them as a status symbol/indicator feel the need to have the latest and greatest. Phones, even the premium tier are a much less costly investment than a desktop PC. In addition to the $1500-$2500 for a decent desktop computer you also have all the supporting bits, a desk to put it on, a chair, maybe a printer, + the floorspace to house it all. With a phone it's just the phone, and maybe a case. So while a household might be satisfied with a single desktop computer, every member of the household is going to want their own phone. More devices per household + higher turn over frequency = higher volume annual sales even at saturation.
edgyquant 6y ago
1) Yes mobile moved the market by capturing hundreds of millions of people who would never have owned a computer otherwise, and Microsoft failed to react to this. 2) Do you have any data to back up the claim that mobile usage leads to desktop purchases? I have never heard such a claim before
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Given that I see more Windows laptops and 2-1 devices than Android tablets around here, Microsoft has reacted quite well to this. Additionally given the amount of people that run Office on their phones, in spite of total lack of usability to do such kind of work on those devices, again very good reaction.
  - edgyquant 6y ago
    The first point is anecdotal at best, the second point is moot since were talking about operating systems.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      The anecdote is quite visible on any European shopping mall.

macintux 6y ago

The numbers to this point disagree, and I don't think you'll find a lot of support for your prediction of a change in direction. https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/mobile-desktop-internet-usage-statistics https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/mobile-desktop-internet...

nitrogen 6y ago
You can't really use percentages to say that something has declined if the whole pie is growing, and web use is maybe the one thing that looks least favorable for desktops.
- macintux 6y ago
  Ok, here are absolute numbers. PC sales look stagnant at best. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263393/global-pc-shipments-since-1st-quarter-2009-by-vendor/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263393/global-pc-shipmen...
  - krisroadruck 6y ago
    That's a tale of saturation. Toaster sales are probably relatively flat as well. Not because toaster use has declined but because people already have a toaster that meets their toasting needs. PC improvements have slowed to a crawl over the past decade in terms of real-world performance gains for the average consumer. Their 5 year old rig still manages to surf the web, stream videos, play games and send emails just fine so they see no reason to upgrade. Another 4 cores or the jump from 14nm+ to 14nm++++ isn't justifiable for the average user. That said I bet the combination of COVID + AMD really coming out swinging the past 2 years might make for a bit of an anomalous spike.
    - macintux 6y ago
      Well, smartphone sales have saturated at 1.5 billion while PC sales are around 75 million. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263437/global-smartphone-sales-to-end-users-since-2007/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263437/global-smartphone... The original proposition was that desktop sales would rise with mobile sales (with a lag time), and that's clearly not the case to this point, and there are no indicators that will ever be true.
      - krisroadruck 6y ago
        Have to agree with you there, smartphones are still seeing 2-3 year turn over that PCs no longer enjoy. Because they are small and visible out and about you have a second motivator for replacement besides straight improvement pressure. People using them as a status symbol/indicator feel the need to have the latest and greatest. Phones, even the premium tier are a much less costly investment than a desktop PC. In addition to the $1500-$2500 for a decent desktop computer you also have all the supporting bits, a desk to put it on, a chair, maybe a printer, + the floorspace to house it all. With a phone it's just the phone, and maybe a case. So while a household might be satisfied with a single desktop computer, every member of the household is going to want their own phone. More devices per household + higher turn over frequency = higher volume annual sales even at saturation.

edgyquant 6y ago

1) Yes mobile moved the market by capturing hundreds of millions of people who would never have owned a computer otherwise, and Microsoft failed to react to this. 2) Do you have any data to back up the claim that mobile usage leads to desktop purchases? I have never heard such a claim before

pjmlp 6y ago
Given that I see more Windows laptops and 2-1 devices than Android tablets around here, Microsoft has reacted quite well to this. Additionally given the amount of people that run Office on their phones, in spite of total lack of usability to do such kind of work on those devices, again very good reaction.
- edgyquant 6y ago
  The first point is anecdotal at best, the second point is moot since were talking about operating systems.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    The anecdote is quite visible on any European shopping mall.