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How is this illegal? You make a form that says “XYZ” and buy a domain “abc.com” and if someone enters a random submission they go to jail for it? Maybe I’m mis

How is this illegal? You make a form that says “XYZ” and buy a domain “abc.com” and if someone enters a random submission they go to jail for it? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
As the other person linked, it did happen, although perhaps it would not happen again. On the other hand, I would not risk it, especially since any competent database admin would have your edits rolled back quickly. What would it accomplish? They'll undo the edits then make it harder to remove yourself from the list in the future. Who does that serve?
cle 6y ago
If something is sufficiently scary to the lay person, you have a good chance of going to jail. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that laws are interpreted and applied fairly.
- oblio 6y ago
  You wouldn't go to jail for 1 submission. But if courts could prove that you created a bot that tried many combinations, in my opinion you should. It's like lockpicking a door lock. Even if you don't get in, I'm sure it's still a crime.
  - eru 6y ago
    Assuming it's not your own door.
alexchamberlain 6y ago
In the UK, I would guess (IANAL) that it would come under "unauthorised modification of computer material" in The Misuse of Computers Act. Essentially, you're allowed to use websites under their terms of use/fair use etc, but if you're being malicious, that's not cool.
chris_wot 6y ago
Not one submission. Hundreds or thousands of submissions could be seen as a DoS. Yes, it's a stretch. Yes, they will try to use this to get you. Do you really want to play legal chicken with Visa?
- texasbigdata 6y ago
  Of course not this is just a civil liberties thought experiment. It’s not clear the founding fathers intended for this. Who makes the list? Is MasterCard bad (probably, visa equivalent)? AmEx? Brex? Mint? Random form on hacker news? Who decides? On what criteria? Can you appeal? Are they elected or appointed officials? Who supervises the “list makers”?
Ekaros 6y ago
Hmm, this one is surprisingly dangerous under Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. VISA is certainly a financial institution and as such this site is a protected site. And this likely falls under "knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;" Act of DOS could be considered damage, not to even metion opt-out from revenue source...

How is this illegal? You make a form that says “XYZ” and buy a domain “abc.com” and if someone enters a random submission they go to jail for it? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago

As the other person linked, it did happen, although perhaps it would not happen again. On the other hand, I would not risk it, especially since any competent database admin would have your edits rolled back quickly. What would it accomplish? They'll undo the edits then make it harder to remove yourself from the list in the future. Who does that serve?

cle 6y ago

If something is sufficiently scary to the lay person, you have a good chance of going to jail. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that laws are interpreted and applied fairly.

oblio 6y ago
You wouldn't go to jail for 1 submission. But if courts could prove that you created a bot that tried many combinations, in my opinion you should. It's like lockpicking a door lock. Even if you don't get in, I'm sure it's still a crime.
- eru 6y ago
  Assuming it's not your own door.

alexchamberlain 6y ago

In the UK, I would guess (IANAL) that it would come under "unauthorised modification of computer material" in The Misuse of Computers Act. Essentially, you're allowed to use websites under their terms of use/fair use etc, but if you're being malicious, that's not cool.

chris_wot 6y ago

Not one submission. Hundreds or thousands of submissions could be seen as a DoS. Yes, it's a stretch. Yes, they will try to use this to get you. Do you really want to play legal chicken with Visa?

texasbigdata 6y ago
Of course not this is just a civil liberties thought experiment. It’s not clear the founding fathers intended for this. Who makes the list? Is MasterCard bad (probably, visa equivalent)? AmEx? Brex? Mint? Random form on hacker news? Who decides? On what criteria? Can you appeal? Are they elected or appointed officials? Who supervises the “list makers”?

Ekaros 6y ago

Hmm, this one is surprisingly dangerous under Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. VISA is certainly a financial institution and as such this site is a protected site. And this likely falls under "knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;" Act of DOS could be considered damage, not to even metion opt-out from revenue source...