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When hospitals hit capacity, the death rate dramatically spikes. Take a look at early NYC data to see how hospital overload affects this. Letting things be woul

When hospitals hit capacity, the death rate dramatically spikes. Take a look at early NYC data to see how hospital overload affects this. Letting things be would have been true disaster. Because we took steps, this is not going to reach anywhere close to the same result in terms of deaths, even if it comes to equal cases. The solution to the time problem was more strict action earlier, ironically for most on the "economy" side of pandemic action. Give people a big stimulus, stop all jobs beyond food and true essentials, and enforce strict contract tracing. We might have been out of this in two months if we did that.

djsumdog 6y ago
The early NYC numbers came from a variety of situations: 1) Gov Cuomo sending elderly to nursing homes and packing them in for treatment. This killed thousands (same with Gov Whitmer in Michigan) and yet Cuomo wrote a fucking book about how great he is instead of facing any consequences. 2) Overuse of ventilators. People were putting vents right as they came in, mostly based off bad advice from doctors in Europe. Turned out this was a death sentence. Most of the young people who died, most likely died from high pressure ventilators over anything else. 3) Overflow hospitals in NYC were entirely empty because they were intended for non-covid patients and were incredibly difficult to get into. Many people who didn't have COVID, who were kept for monitoring, were kept on COVID floors of regular hospitals and got COVID. NYC was mismanagement at every possible level.
- belltaco 6y ago
  Not this again. Where do you put elderly folks who are recovering but not sick enough to keep in the hospitals which need to freed up for more seriously sick people? They live in the nursing home FFS, that is their home.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    They could have been put in the massive empty emergency facilities they put up but never used. They were cramming sick elderly people into nursing homes with perfectly healthy people; nursing homes without individual rooms! They were packing sick people next to unsick people. It literally killed thousands. Janice Dean covers all the details very well in her podcast with Megyn Kelly, including reasonable countermeasures they could have taken instead of cramming sick elderly people together: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305?i=1000498452028 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/i... > Not this again Why do you not consider this as valid? Nursing homes were the primary spread for COVID cases back in March/April and there is more than enough damning evidence against both Como and Whitmer.

djsumdog 6y ago

The early NYC numbers came from a variety of situations: 1) Gov Cuomo sending elderly to nursing homes and packing them in for treatment. This killed thousands (same with Gov Whitmer in Michigan) and yet Cuomo wrote a fucking book about how great he is instead of facing any consequences. 2) Overuse of ventilators. People were putting vents right as they came in, mostly based off bad advice from doctors in Europe. Turned out this was a death sentence. Most of the young people who died, most likely died from high pressure ventilators over anything else. 3) Overflow hospitals in NYC were entirely empty because they were intended for non-covid patients and were incredibly difficult to get into. Many people who didn't have COVID, who were kept for monitoring, were kept on COVID floors of regular hospitals and got COVID. NYC was mismanagement at every possible level.

belltaco 6y ago
Not this again. Where do you put elderly folks who are recovering but not sick enough to keep in the hospitals which need to freed up for more seriously sick people? They live in the nursing home FFS, that is their home.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  They could have been put in the massive empty emergency facilities they put up but never used. They were cramming sick elderly people into nursing homes with perfectly healthy people; nursing homes without individual rooms! They were packing sick people next to unsick people. It literally killed thousands. Janice Dean covers all the details very well in her podcast with Megyn Kelly, including reasonable countermeasures they could have taken instead of cramming sick elderly people together: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305?i=1000498452028 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/i... > Not this again Why do you not consider this as valid? Nursing homes were the primary spread for COVID cases back in March/April and there is more than enough damning evidence against both Como and Whitmer.