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The value is really in the inept cluelessness of the legacy automakers. If any of them woke up and got a Clue(TM) then, after they build a car that isn't crappy

The value is really in the inept cluelessness of the legacy automakers. If any of them woke up and got a Clue(TM) then, after they build a car that isn't crappy, and a charging network, and self-driving... Then TSLA stock might drop.

davewritescode 6y ago
GM arguably has a better self driving solution than Tesla at the moment. At least it’s safer. Ford has the Mach-E which is getting really favorable press from the “car guy” world (i.e people who are a little more skeptical of Tesla) which supposedly is getting self driving and is $7k less with tax credit than the Model Y. https://youtu.be/c4n5iPqxpaw https://youtu.be/c4n5iPqxpaw Honestly, given Tesla’s quality issues and how they address them, I wouldn’t mind seeing what the more risk-averse, mature automakers come up with. The way Tesla has handled design flows in the Model S front suspension is downright disgraceful. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-safety-investigation/u-s-agency-opens-probe-into-115000-tesla-vehicles-over-suspension-issue-idUSKBN287172 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-safety-investigatio...
- bfieidhbrjr 6y ago
  Mach-E looks ok but there's no way I'm driving long distance on J1772. You might convince people ChaDeMo is okay... but not if they've done a v3 supercharger. Like I said, its not just the car. You may be right about SuperCruise, I have a small amount of experience with it, but I'm skeptical. As for cars having design faults and the manufacturer being disgraceful... That's a pretty long list? We could start with the Pinto exploding? Or the Bronco roof collapsing?
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    It's not likely that charging will represent a durable advantage. (Tesla has a significant lead, but ultimately still has a small number of locations)
  - garyrichardson 6y ago
    That's the thing. If you're in the market for a Tesla priced car today, buy a Tesla. It's amazing. In 3+ years re-evaluate the DC charging networks when you're ready for your next car.
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MrRiddle 6y ago
All Toyota has to do is build fine Corolla EV. Then all they have to do is install fast chargers at their dealerships, which I can only imagine the number of.

davewritescode 6y ago

GM arguably has a better self driving solution than Tesla at the moment. At least it’s safer. Ford has the Mach-E which is getting really favorable press from the “car guy” world (i.e people who are a little more skeptical of Tesla) which supposedly is getting self driving and is $7k less with tax credit than the Model Y. https://youtu.be/c4n5iPqxpaw https://youtu.be/c4n5iPqxpaw Honestly, given Tesla’s quality issues and how they address them, I wouldn’t mind seeing what the more risk-averse, mature automakers come up with. The way Tesla has handled design flows in the Model S front suspension is downright disgraceful. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-safety-investigation/u-s-agency-opens-probe-into-115000-tesla-vehicles-over-suspension-issue-idUSKBN287172 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-safety-investigatio...

bfieidhbrjr 6y ago
Mach-E looks ok but there's no way I'm driving long distance on J1772. You might convince people ChaDeMo is okay... but not if they've done a v3 supercharger. Like I said, its not just the car. You may be right about SuperCruise, I have a small amount of experience with it, but I'm skeptical. As for cars having design faults and the manufacturer being disgraceful... That's a pretty long list? We could start with the Pinto exploding? Or the Bronco roof collapsing?
- maxerickson 6y ago
  It's not likely that charging will represent a durable advantage. (Tesla has a significant lead, but ultimately still has a small number of locations)
- garyrichardson 6y ago
  That's the thing. If you're in the market for a Tesla priced car today, buy a Tesla. It's amazing. In 3+ years re-evaluate the DC charging networks when you're ready for your next car.

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MrRiddle 6y ago

All Toyota has to do is build fine Corolla EV. Then all they have to do is install fast chargers at their dealerships, which I can only imagine the number of.