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What? Paying someone (a pittance, mind) doesn't make forced labor not slavery. Read the 13th amendment.

Alupis 6y ago
Paying someone for labor kind of does make it not slavery - by the very definition of the word "slave" and "slavery". Or are you attempting to redefine the word "slave"?
- MereInterest 6y ago
  Nope, that is not the distinguishing factor. Historically, money was used as an incentive for slave labor done especially well. That does not prevent it from being slavery. https://www.historyextra.com/period/slave-labour/ https://www.historyextra.com/period/slave-labour/
  - Alupis 6y ago
    You have an uphill battle to convince anyone being paid (any amount) for voluntary labor is akin to slave labor.
    - MereInterest 6y ago
      I take issue with describing it as "voluntary", when the alternative is a longer prison sentence. It is paid a pittance, and is effectively involuntary.
      - Alupis 6y ago
        > when the alternative is a longer prison sentence That's simply untrue.
        MereInterest 6y ago
        "Even though, in a lot of cases, it is technically voluntary, there can be serious consequences for people who refuse to work or who advocate for better working conditions because a lot of prisoners use working as a way of having their sentences reduced." Source: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263
        Alupis 6y ago
        In that section of the article they are discussing labor internal to the prison, specifically maintenance and daily chores. Yes, it is true, while in prison you do not have a choice but to participate in that kind of labor and refusal will not help you be released early for "good behavior" or anything similar. External labor, the kind discussed here - contracted by a 3rd party for money - is voluntary.
        darig 6y ago
        You're lying again. Maybe you just don't know what the word Commutation means. Let me help: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/commutation https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/commutation
    - Technically 6y ago
      You have an uphill battle to convince me that prison labor is in any way voluntary—to me, that implies access to a fair job market.
- sterlind 6y ago
  Modern slavery in the US often works by bringing people in from another country, requiring them to pay for lodging and food at a "company store," and paying low enough wages that their debt steadily increases. Then you hold their passports and tell them they can't leave until they're paid up. It's illegal, of course, because it's literally slavery despite the window-dressing of money changing hands. But the slaves are vulnerable and don't necessarily know it's illegal, or they're threatened.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    Examples?

Paying someone for labor kind of does make it not slavery - by the very definition of the word "slave" and "slavery". Or are you attempting to redefine the word "slave"?

MereInterest 6y ago
Nope, that is not the distinguishing factor. Historically, money was used as an incentive for slave labor done especially well. That does not prevent it from being slavery. https://www.historyextra.com/period/slave-labour/ https://www.historyextra.com/period/slave-labour/
- Alupis 6y ago
  You have an uphill battle to convince anyone being paid (any amount) for voluntary labor is akin to slave labor.
  - MereInterest 6y ago
    I take issue with describing it as "voluntary", when the alternative is a longer prison sentence. It is paid a pittance, and is effectively involuntary.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      > when the alternative is a longer prison sentence That's simply untrue.
      - MereInterest 6y ago
        "Even though, in a lot of cases, it is technically voluntary, there can be serious consequences for people who refuse to work or who advocate for better working conditions because a lot of prisoners use working as a way of having their sentences reduced." Source: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263
        Alupis 6y ago
        In that section of the article they are discussing labor internal to the prison, specifically maintenance and daily chores. Yes, it is true, while in prison you do not have a choice but to participate in that kind of labor and refusal will not help you be released early for "good behavior" or anything similar. External labor, the kind discussed here - contracted by a 3rd party for money - is voluntary.
      - darig 6y ago
        You're lying again. Maybe you just don't know what the word Commutation means. Let me help: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/commutation https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/commutation
  - Technically 6y ago
    You have an uphill battle to convince me that prison labor is in any way voluntary—to me, that implies access to a fair job market.
sterlind 6y ago
Modern slavery in the US often works by bringing people in from another country, requiring them to pay for lodging and food at a "company store," and paying low enough wages that their debt steadily increases. Then you hold their passports and tell them they can't leave until they're paid up. It's illegal, of course, because it's literally slavery despite the window-dressing of money changing hands. But the slaves are vulnerable and don't necessarily know it's illegal, or they're threatened.
- Alupis 6y ago
  Examples?