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Yeah, well... I think the U.S. has some massive problems, but that's on another page and although I'd love to talk about these problems, let's stick with China

by esarbe 6y ago

Yeah, well... I think the U.S. has some massive problems, but that's on another page and although I'd love to talk about these problems, let's stick with China for now. That a big enough pig.

onethought 6y ago
Yes, my house is on fire, and that's a big issue that should be addressed, but check out the big fire across the road. Let's focus on that one. (As someone who does not live in the US, it's hard to take the consistent negativity on China and the wilful ignorance on US domestic issues seriously, without just seeing it as propaganda...)
- esarbe 6y ago
  Since I don't live in the U.S. either, I don't see why we should include the U.S. in this discussion. I'll happily comment about the prison-industrial-complex or legalized corruption or about the dangers of militarized police... if it is the topic at hand. The issue at hand is how China and Apple are profiting from slave labor, how much this is by design or by neglect and what to do about it. Let's keep the discussion limited to that.
  - onethought 6y ago
    But Apple is a US company... lots of US companies take advantage of (domestic) prison labour. How is the US not part of this discussion???
    - esarbe 6y ago
      This is fun! Apple is a U.S. Company Lots of U.S. companies take advantage of (domestic) prison labour. Domestic prison labour is responsible for mental health problems. Mental health problems are treated by psychiatrists. How are psychiatrists not part of this discussion???
      - onethought 6y ago
        Sure if you want to derail it. But the Actual post is about an American company taking advantage of essentially Chinese prison labour. You think drawing a parallel to American companies taking advantage of American prison labour is unrelated to this discussion preferring to focus on the race of the 'prison labour' rather than the nature of the labour. What ever helps you sleep at night ;)
        esarbe 6y ago
        It was actually my conception that you were trying to derail the conversation. I'm terribly sorry if that wasn't the case. See my response to ksk below with regards to the topic of American prison labor. In short; it's inexcusable.

by esarbe 6y ago

Yeah, well... I think the U.S. has some massive problems, but that's on another page and although I'd love to talk about these problems, let's stick with China for now. That a big enough pig.

onethought 6y ago

Yes, my house is on fire, and that's a big issue that should be addressed, but check out the big fire across the road. Let's focus on that one. (As someone who does not live in the US, it's hard to take the consistent negativity on China and the wilful ignorance on US domestic issues seriously, without just seeing it as propaganda...)

esarbe 6y ago
Since I don't live in the U.S. either, I don't see why we should include the U.S. in this discussion. I'll happily comment about the prison-industrial-complex or legalized corruption or about the dangers of militarized police... if it is the topic at hand. The issue at hand is how China and Apple are profiting from slave labor, how much this is by design or by neglect and what to do about it. Let's keep the discussion limited to that.
- onethought 6y ago
  But Apple is a US company... lots of US companies take advantage of (domestic) prison labour. How is the US not part of this discussion???
  - esarbe 6y ago
    This is fun! Apple is a U.S. Company Lots of U.S. companies take advantage of (domestic) prison labour. Domestic prison labour is responsible for mental health problems. Mental health problems are treated by psychiatrists. How are psychiatrists not part of this discussion???
    - onethought 6y ago
      Sure if you want to derail it. But the Actual post is about an American company taking advantage of essentially Chinese prison labour. You think drawing a parallel to American companies taking advantage of American prison labour is unrelated to this discussion preferring to focus on the race of the 'prison labour' rather than the nature of the labour. What ever helps you sleep at night ;)
      - esarbe 6y ago
        It was actually my conception that you were trying to derail the conversation. I'm terribly sorry if that wasn't the case. See my response to ksk below with regards to the topic of American prison labor. In short; it's inexcusable.