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Did you read the report you linked to ? - The post-lockdown figures were higher than in the equivalent period in 2019 - The higher figures in 2020 should

Did you read the report you linked to ? - The post-lockdown figures were higher than in the equivalent period in 2019 - The higher figures in 2020 should be seen in the context of a rising national rate and maturing real-time surveillance systems; They say , Yes there were more suicides in 2020 than 2019 but that is because suicide rates were rising anyway. and we now monitor them better than we have before. AND the also state (3)There are several important caveats. These are early figures and could change over time or with the inclusion of more areas. We cannot rule out higher rates in some local areas or population sub-groups, especially as the effect of COVID-19 itself has varied between communities; http://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=51861 http://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=51861 So not unaffected by any means but lockdown impact is still not determined.

thebruce87m 6y ago
Yes? I think you covered the main points which don’t seem to disagree with what I was saying although from your response it seems like you think they do? The caveat about the sample size and area is valid, but it did cover 9 million people which is a significant proportion of the population.
- xkbarkar 6y ago
  You claimed that suicide rates are unaffected. They are not. They have increased. We don't know why they have increased, we don't even know if the current numbers are accurate. It may very well be due to lockdown. Suicide rates may well be higher than has currently been reported. This report acknowledges that. You however did not. You pretty much trivialized the severity of the truth behind these horrible numbers. I think you never read the report and just copied the twitter statement, and are now irritated because you got called on it. For arguments sake If I state that medical doctors have the highest suicide rates among all the professions (which is true). Would you still trivialize the 2020 increase in suicide rates if I could show you that more oncologists took their own lives in 2020 than in 2019? What if I could show you that the increase comes from unemployed, physically healthy men under the age of 35? What if there is a steep increase in suicides among the elderly who have sheltered in place since march ? Context is everything. This report acknowledges that proper context is still missing, and it's preliminary to draw conclusions other than that it looks like the increase was to be expected. Which in itself is (pardon my french) fucking abysmal and should not go ignored.
  - thebruce87m 6y ago
    That was... wild. You definitely seem to want to come to the opposite conclusion of what the report is suggesting and I don’t think I’ll change your mind here. I stick by my original interpretation of the report in line with your highlighted points, which is also in line with how the Samaritans (!!!) interpreted the report.

thebruce87m 6y ago

Yes? I think you covered the main points which don’t seem to disagree with what I was saying although from your response it seems like you think they do? The caveat about the sample size and area is valid, but it did cover 9 million people which is a significant proportion of the population.

xkbarkar 6y ago
You claimed that suicide rates are unaffected. They are not. They have increased. We don't know why they have increased, we don't even know if the current numbers are accurate. It may very well be due to lockdown. Suicide rates may well be higher than has currently been reported. This report acknowledges that. You however did not. You pretty much trivialized the severity of the truth behind these horrible numbers. I think you never read the report and just copied the twitter statement, and are now irritated because you got called on it. For arguments sake If I state that medical doctors have the highest suicide rates among all the professions (which is true). Would you still trivialize the 2020 increase in suicide rates if I could show you that more oncologists took their own lives in 2020 than in 2019? What if I could show you that the increase comes from unemployed, physically healthy men under the age of 35? What if there is a steep increase in suicides among the elderly who have sheltered in place since march ? Context is everything. This report acknowledges that proper context is still missing, and it's preliminary to draw conclusions other than that it looks like the increase was to be expected. Which in itself is (pardon my french) fucking abysmal and should not go ignored.
- thebruce87m 6y ago
  That was... wild. You definitely seem to want to come to the opposite conclusion of what the report is suggesting and I don’t think I’ll change your mind here. I stick by my original interpretation of the report in line with your highlighted points, which is also in line with how the Samaritans (!!!) interpreted the report.