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Honest question in return, why should I distrust it? The claims seem to be roughly in line with many other reports about the Xinjiang region, China's governmen

Honest question in return, why should I distrust it? The claims seem to be roughly in line with many other reports about the Xinjiang region, China's government and worker conditions in the tech sector. Is there something you are implying?

spoopyskelly 6y ago
You trust everything you read?
dirtyid 6y ago
Other reports funded by those aligned with US foreign interests. If it conforms to Chinese government behaviour then these are extremely public and predominantly well compensated rural labour transfer programs occuring in other provinces that alleviates poverty for 10s of millions every year. If it's anything like Chinese tech (it's not) then they would be extremely well compensated and overworked relative to rest of society. In Mike Pompeo's words: We Lied, We Cheated, We Stole. That should be the default assumption when treating these analysis, especially when they contradict each other i.e. Zenz estimates of millions detained is based off fanciful estimate of 1,200 camps... GIS analysis found only ~300, but the same analysis that essentially debunks Zenz will still blindly reaffirm his claims. It's manufactured consent. The implication is reality is worse than CCP purports but better than US funded analysis alleges, especially considering ongoing geopolitical tensions. Per leaked XJ internal documents, these are indoctorination and vocational training camps designed to secularize and alleviate poverty. Abuse will happen when operating at large scales, but CCP "political work" and demographic engineering has always operated on carrot and stick. It's more or less a proven model that works more often than it doesn't. There's a reason why the current narrative tries to insinuate it's only stick, and has to operate on fabrications, cherry picked data, repeated testimonies from the same handful of people. It's Pompeo / state department's prerogative to lie, cheat, steal for US interests. People should understand this, except those for whose interest depends upon them not to.

spoopyskelly 6y ago

You trust everything you read?

dirtyid 6y ago

Other reports funded by those aligned with US foreign interests. If it conforms to Chinese government behaviour then these are extremely public and predominantly well compensated rural labour transfer programs occuring in other provinces that alleviates poverty for 10s of millions every year. If it's anything like Chinese tech (it's not) then they would be extremely well compensated and overworked relative to rest of society. In Mike Pompeo's words: We Lied, We Cheated, We Stole. That should be the default assumption when treating these analysis, especially when they contradict each other i.e. Zenz estimates of millions detained is based off fanciful estimate of 1,200 camps... GIS analysis found only ~300, but the same analysis that essentially debunks Zenz will still blindly reaffirm his claims. It's manufactured consent. The implication is reality is worse than CCP purports but better than US funded analysis alleges, especially considering ongoing geopolitical tensions. Per leaked XJ internal documents, these are indoctorination and vocational training camps designed to secularize and alleviate poverty. Abuse will happen when operating at large scales, but CCP "political work" and demographic engineering has always operated on carrot and stick. It's more or less a proven model that works more often than it doesn't. There's a reason why the current narrative tries to insinuate it's only stick, and has to operate on fabrications, cherry picked data, repeated testimonies from the same handful of people. It's Pompeo / state department's prerogative to lie, cheat, steal for US interests. People should understand this, except those for whose interest depends upon them not to.