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The vast majority of employment opportunities do not involve physical labour requiring strength on a level unobtainable by women. Even moreso intellectually and

The vast majority of employment opportunities do not involve physical labour requiring strength on a level unobtainable by women. Even moreso intellectually and socially, the sweeping majority of employment opportunities are equally accessible on physiological grounds to any sex. Time and again, we find that the main impediments to women's success in the workplace are the social constructs built to keep men and women in their designated roles. You're leaning very heavily on a fallacious understanding of human biology to make unsupportable declarations regarding the nature of human social interaction. It's troubling that you appear to believe women are inherently incompetent when working alongside men, and thus in need of protection from them. It's a given that I find that paternalistic view acutely misogynistic, but I'd also like to emphasize the disservice you do to men by painting them as brutish predators. I wholly reject any concept of manhood rooted in emphasizing social and physical superiority over women, such as this.

globular-toast 6y ago
What's troubling to me is that people like you act like some kind of saviour for women yet you don't appear to have ever spoken to or really, really listened to one of them. I don't presume to know what any individual's aspirations are, but I do know that a species doesn't survive if its members don't want to reproduce. I also know that women's happiness has only declined over the past several decades despite what we are told are great strides towards women's liberties and opportunities. The women around me are under incredible stress due to the opposing pressures of a society that wants them to work and "be strong" and their own biological clock telling them to reproduce before it's too late. Just look at the statistics on anti-depressant and other drug use amongst women. You'd have to be crazy to think this is healthy. You cry misogyny but it's you who is killing them. This isn't what women want. They don't want to go to work. Who the hell would?
- cforrester 6y ago
  > What's troubling to me is that people like you act like some kind of saviour for women yet you don't appear to have ever spoken to or really, really listened to one of them. Your choice of words is curious. Unless you yourself are something that women need to be protected from, nobody is trying to be a saviour here. I'm not overly concerned if you want to dismiss me as a white knight, since it's not my own social abilities which are in question. > They don't want to go to work. Who the hell would? You won't find much argument from me that the modern working environment is inhumane. If this is the root of your argument, you can drop the sexual angle entirely -- we all want fulfillment, no matter our sex. Patronizing women and dictating their social roles to them will not bring us any closer to achieving that as a species, nor will falling into the trap of trying to wrap human social behaviour up in a nice little bow with overly simplistic biological hypotheses.
  - apta 6y ago
    > nobody is trying to be a saviour here Perhaps not explicitly, but by ignoring reality and pretending that we live on a different planet, people with this mentality sure do come across that way. Some even explicitly so. > we all want fulfillment, no matter our sex Which is why in countries that are most egalitarian, you'll find women naturally drawn to more "female oriented" practices, like nursing or childcare, and men to more "male oriented" work like construction and plumbing. Of course, the SJW's don't like that and want to push women head to head against men, only for it to end in the chaos we see today. > overly simplistic biological hypotheses Except it's not so. Phenomenon that have been observed across cultures and geography and time is not a "simplistic biological hypothesis".
apta 6y ago
> The vast majority of employment opportunities do not involve physical labour requiring strength on a level unobtainable by women. That's not my argument. Men are not just physically stronger, but they are more vicious and ferocious to deal with. This is especially true the higher up you go. There's a reason that the vast majority of the richest people in the world are men. The rest of your argument is a strawman. Quit catering to toxic femenist propaganda.
- cforrester 6y ago
  > Men are not just physically stronger, but they are more vicious and ferocious to deal with. This is especially true the higher up you go. There's a reason that the vast majority of the richest people in the world are men. These purely social barriers are slowly but surely being eroded as women rise higher in the economic hierarchies. I'd like to see that hierarchy destroyed, but if it has to exist, it must exist on more ethical terms. > The rest of your argument is a strawman. Quit catering to toxic femenist propaganda. I'm disappointed that you were unwilling to put your bigotry aside and approach this rationally. All the best.
  - apta 6y ago
    > These purely social barriers They're mainly biological by virtue of hormones. No amount of social conditioning will change that. It is inherent in our species. > bigotry Biology.
    - jahaja 6y ago
      It's a fckn disgrace that you and globular-toast haven't been banned already. Cancel culture you think? No it's just basic GC to not let a few dozens relics from the 1950s poison the environment with misogynistic bullshit for everyone else. You are toxic.
      - dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments, using HN for ideological battle, and ignoring our many requests to stop. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

globular-toast 6y ago

What's troubling to me is that people like you act like some kind of saviour for women yet you don't appear to have ever spoken to or really, really listened to one of them. I don't presume to know what any individual's aspirations are, but I do know that a species doesn't survive if its members don't want to reproduce. I also know that women's happiness has only declined over the past several decades despite what we are told are great strides towards women's liberties and opportunities. The women around me are under incredible stress due to the opposing pressures of a society that wants them to work and "be strong" and their own biological clock telling them to reproduce before it's too late. Just look at the statistics on anti-depressant and other drug use amongst women. You'd have to be crazy to think this is healthy. You cry misogyny but it's you who is killing them. This isn't what women want. They don't want to go to work. Who the hell would?

cforrester 6y ago
> What's troubling to me is that people like you act like some kind of saviour for women yet you don't appear to have ever spoken to or really, really listened to one of them. Your choice of words is curious. Unless you yourself are something that women need to be protected from, nobody is trying to be a saviour here. I'm not overly concerned if you want to dismiss me as a white knight, since it's not my own social abilities which are in question. > They don't want to go to work. Who the hell would? You won't find much argument from me that the modern working environment is inhumane. If this is the root of your argument, you can drop the sexual angle entirely -- we all want fulfillment, no matter our sex. Patronizing women and dictating their social roles to them will not bring us any closer to achieving that as a species, nor will falling into the trap of trying to wrap human social behaviour up in a nice little bow with overly simplistic biological hypotheses.
- apta 6y ago
  > nobody is trying to be a saviour here Perhaps not explicitly, but by ignoring reality and pretending that we live on a different planet, people with this mentality sure do come across that way. Some even explicitly so. > we all want fulfillment, no matter our sex Which is why in countries that are most egalitarian, you'll find women naturally drawn to more "female oriented" practices, like nursing or childcare, and men to more "male oriented" work like construction and plumbing. Of course, the SJW's don't like that and want to push women head to head against men, only for it to end in the chaos we see today. > overly simplistic biological hypotheses Except it's not so. Phenomenon that have been observed across cultures and geography and time is not a "simplistic biological hypothesis".

apta 6y ago

> The vast majority of employment opportunities do not involve physical labour requiring strength on a level unobtainable by women. That's not my argument. Men are not just physically stronger, but they are more vicious and ferocious to deal with. This is especially true the higher up you go. There's a reason that the vast majority of the richest people in the world are men. The rest of your argument is a strawman. Quit catering to toxic femenist propaganda.

cforrester 6y ago
> Men are not just physically stronger, but they are more vicious and ferocious to deal with. This is especially true the higher up you go. There's a reason that the vast majority of the richest people in the world are men. These purely social barriers are slowly but surely being eroded as women rise higher in the economic hierarchies. I'd like to see that hierarchy destroyed, but if it has to exist, it must exist on more ethical terms. > The rest of your argument is a strawman. Quit catering to toxic femenist propaganda. I'm disappointed that you were unwilling to put your bigotry aside and approach this rationally. All the best.
- apta 6y ago
  > These purely social barriers They're mainly biological by virtue of hormones. No amount of social conditioning will change that. It is inherent in our species. > bigotry Biology.
  - jahaja 6y ago
    It's a fckn disgrace that you and globular-toast haven't been banned already. Cancel culture you think? No it's just basic GC to not let a few dozens relics from the 1950s poison the environment with misogynistic bullshit for everyone else. You are toxic.
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments, using HN for ideological battle, and ignoring our many requests to stop. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html