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I agree “forced work” or slavery should be stopped. But go and visit these factories in China... the people are their voluntarily... because their alternative i

I agree “forced work” or slavery should be stopped. But go and visit these factories in China... the people are their voluntarily... because their alternative is worse than those conditions. Like I said economies develop, China should improve its workers rights laws, and slowly it has and will. We should avoid and remove slavery. Agree. But using developing countries as an example of why developed countries should be more protectionist at exactly the point in time where the US tried that and lost out on almost every front is insane and disconnected from reality

duskcloudxu 6y ago
Mostly agree but highly doubt if China would change the worker rights laws. Actually they do not need change since they already got a good one (including 40 hour work week and overtime pay), but it's rarely enforced by local governments.
- onethought 6y ago
  As the saying in China goes: "Government Policy, Peoples' Anti-Policy". If the government don't police the laws, then they aren't really laws. Working conditions in a lot of Chinese companies are terrible in comparison to US/EU counterparts. Any evidence you need is just look at how much a Chinese company will change things if they hire a "westerner" (just for that westerner mind you)... It's ridiculous, China can and should do better.
  - duskcloudxu 6y ago
    True, but really if they hire a foreigner, that must be a different position that natives are not capable of. If you are a native and asking something even legal according the law (like double payment for working in weekend), your boss could fire you and there're plenty of people want that job. Also suing that company for wrongful termination takes much time and effort, many blue collar workers even do not know how to do it. With all being said, the working condition is getting better comparing that decades ago, but it's not because of government, it's only because the economy are growing and it takes more money to hire people.

duskcloudxu 6y ago

Mostly agree but highly doubt if China would change the worker rights laws. Actually they do not need change since they already got a good one (including 40 hour work week and overtime pay), but it's rarely enforced by local governments.

onethought 6y ago
As the saying in China goes: "Government Policy, Peoples' Anti-Policy". If the government don't police the laws, then they aren't really laws. Working conditions in a lot of Chinese companies are terrible in comparison to US/EU counterparts. Any evidence you need is just look at how much a Chinese company will change things if they hire a "westerner" (just for that westerner mind you)... It's ridiculous, China can and should do better.
- duskcloudxu 6y ago
  True, but really if they hire a foreigner, that must be a different position that natives are not capable of. If you are a native and asking something even legal according the law (like double payment for working in weekend), your boss could fire you and there're plenty of people want that job. Also suing that company for wrongful termination takes much time and effort, many blue collar workers even do not know how to do it. With all being said, the working condition is getting better comparing that decades ago, but it's not because of government, it's only because the economy are growing and it takes more money to hire people.