>No, I'm talking about incarceration in the USA. There's a huge difference between that and what's happening in China. I was aware of that when responding. In

>No, I'm talking about incarceration in the USA. There's a huge difference between that and what's happening in China. I was aware of that when responding. In fact, when I said: "There are valid reasons to separate some folks from the rest of society (think John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc.), as they've shown themselves to be unable/unwilling to respect the rights of others within that society. Incarceration as a tool of punishment, while widely used, often poses more risk of harming society than any benefit from "punishing" offenders. It's a complex issue, and simplifying it to "Law and order! Lock 'em up!" is reductive and often detrimental to the societies it's supposed to improve." I was specifically referring to my home, the USA.