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“I love my Tesla but” has become so overused it is on the verge of becoming a meme.

by tempsy 6y ago

google234123 6y ago
So only unconditional love for something or someone is not a meme?
- tempsy 6y ago
  no, there’s just a fascinating phenomenon where Tesla owners appear to shrug off bad quality control, bad service, buggy software and controls, safety issues, etc en masse because they love their car.
  - tenacious_tuna 6y ago
    I think it happens in just about every realm when you get close to the innovative edge, especially in tech: you can be really excited about some aspects of $SHINY_NEW_THING while recognizing that it has serious drawbacks in other realms--possibly realms that people expect $SHINY_NEW_THING to excel at as a contender in the space. (inb4 "Sure it goes fast, but the panel gaps!") Personally I love Tesla-the-company and my Tesla vehicle because of the innovation it's driving in the space--and I'm willing to tolerate the ways it falls short due to how incredible it is in other ways.... but I do try to be up front about those shortcomings when I discuss it, at the risk of being one of those "I love my Tesla, but..." people.
  - haberman 6y ago
    The car is comfortable, responsive, stylish, fun, and feels great to drive. The cruise control is fantastic in stop-and-go traffic. I always look forward to driving it. And then every once in a while does something that drives me absolutely crazy, for a minute, and then goes back to being fun again.
    - tempsy 6y ago
      the biggest issue is the service model not anything related to the car unless you got a lemon. they aren’t scaling service centers fast enough to keep up with an extra 200k cars added on the road every quarter, so service meaningfully deteriorates every week as more cars are sold and existing cars age. it simply doesn’t work unless they were committed to building out 2x-3x the SCs they have now but nothing indicates that’s on the roadmap at all.
      - kjksf 6y ago
        Here's a Tesla 2020 Q3 investor update https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22 https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Updat... The numbers: - increased service locations 12% YoY - increased mobile service fleet 8% YoY - increased supercharging stations and connectors 32% YoY They are clearly building more service. During quarterly conference call Musk stated that he believes service is the biggest driver of sales and that Tesla will invest in that. So contrary to what you claim it's on the roadmap. Many people are over the moon with Tesla service given that mobile service comes to you and they can do fixes without you even there. That's something no other car maker does at scale, as far as I know. Did you have a personal experience with Tesla's bad service or is it just amplifying FUD from other people?
        tempsy 6y ago
        growing service centers 12% YoY when they added 50% of cars they’ve ever sold this year alone and plan to sell close to 1M next year (100% YoY) is the definition of inadequate.
  - judge2020 6y ago
    Every car is a game of tradeoffs. Any other EV you can buy today (including the Mach-E) will have you trading off build quality and access to good service (probably; some dealerships suck at servicing EVs) for extremely slow software, low range, and lack of supercharging access. MKBHD has a good video on this that came out yesterday - https://youtu.be/pJlA2J92Fw4 https://youtu.be/pJlA2J92Fw4
  - c0nfused 6y ago
    I guess I'll take the bait here. I have owned 2 cars that I bought the first year the model came out. The Model 3 I have had a few dumb issues like, if you run the paint app sometimes the gps location on the map doesn't update until you close the paint app and your displayed location lerps from the old point to the new one over a minute or so. The Mini had an eco mode that would occasionally shut off the engine entirely at highway speed and not allow restart until you came to a full stop and put it in park. Eventually, they just disabled eco mode in software Which took a few weeks of me working from the mini dealer. There was display of how many miles you had gained that reset when you filled the gas tank. My record is 42 Miles gained in eco. After the final update to the software, which was a full day in the garage, My best was 8. One of those was worth running stories in the press about. I guess what I'm saying here is that there is a deep vein of shadenfreude in the news about Tesla. A single Tesla on fire is a big national and some times international news story. I have stopped even reading the damn things. It seems like a weird combination of them being seen as rich people cars, early adopter cars, and liberal hippy cars. Everyone can hate someone on the spectrum. Typically, the issue in articles about Tesla flaws is so isolated and dumb that it exists solely to generate clicks. The last article about Tesla I clicked through stated that consumer reports had downgraded their durability rating due to the discovery of single human hair in the paint of a model Y. I get that it sucks. But, I don't get why I should care about it. I own a Model 3 because I needed a four door car because I had kids, electric seemed like a net win, the local Bolt dealer told me not to buy their car, and the range let me drive to the grandparents houses without a charge. I recognize that there is stuff about the model 3 and Tesla that sucks but overall it has been a pretty solid car for the last 2 years for me. Would I recommend one to you? Yeah. I don't think there is a company that offers the combination of electric car, mature tech, range, and charging network at a similar price tag.

“I love my Tesla but” has become so overused it is on the verge of becoming a meme.

by tempsy 6y ago

“I love my Tesla but” has become so overused it is on the verge of becoming a meme.

google234123 6y ago

So only unconditional love for something or someone is not a meme?

tempsy 6y ago
no, there’s just a fascinating phenomenon where Tesla owners appear to shrug off bad quality control, bad service, buggy software and controls, safety issues, etc en masse because they love their car.
- tenacious_tuna 6y ago
  I think it happens in just about every realm when you get close to the innovative edge, especially in tech: you can be really excited about some aspects of $SHINY_NEW_THING while recognizing that it has serious drawbacks in other realms--possibly realms that people expect $SHINY_NEW_THING to excel at as a contender in the space. (inb4 "Sure it goes fast, but the panel gaps!") Personally I love Tesla-the-company and my Tesla vehicle because of the innovation it's driving in the space--and I'm willing to tolerate the ways it falls short due to how incredible it is in other ways.... but I do try to be up front about those shortcomings when I discuss it, at the risk of being one of those "I love my Tesla, but..." people.
- haberman 6y ago
  The car is comfortable, responsive, stylish, fun, and feels great to drive. The cruise control is fantastic in stop-and-go traffic. I always look forward to driving it. And then every once in a while does something that drives me absolutely crazy, for a minute, and then goes back to being fun again.
  - tempsy 6y ago
    the biggest issue is the service model not anything related to the car unless you got a lemon. they aren’t scaling service centers fast enough to keep up with an extra 200k cars added on the road every quarter, so service meaningfully deteriorates every week as more cars are sold and existing cars age. it simply doesn’t work unless they were committed to building out 2x-3x the SCs they have now but nothing indicates that’s on the roadmap at all.
    - kjksf 6y ago
      Here's a Tesla 2020 Q3 investor update https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22 https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Updat... The numbers: - increased service locations 12% YoY - increased mobile service fleet 8% YoY - increased supercharging stations and connectors 32% YoY They are clearly building more service. During quarterly conference call Musk stated that he believes service is the biggest driver of sales and that Tesla will invest in that. So contrary to what you claim it's on the roadmap. Many people are over the moon with Tesla service given that mobile service comes to you and they can do fixes without you even there. That's something no other car maker does at scale, as far as I know. Did you have a personal experience with Tesla's bad service or is it just amplifying FUD from other people?
      - tempsy 6y ago
        growing service centers 12% YoY when they added 50% of cars they’ve ever sold this year alone and plan to sell close to 1M next year (100% YoY) is the definition of inadequate.
- judge2020 6y ago
  Every car is a game of tradeoffs. Any other EV you can buy today (including the Mach-E) will have you trading off build quality and access to good service (probably; some dealerships suck at servicing EVs) for extremely slow software, low range, and lack of supercharging access. MKBHD has a good video on this that came out yesterday - https://youtu.be/pJlA2J92Fw4 https://youtu.be/pJlA2J92Fw4
- c0nfused 6y ago
  I guess I'll take the bait here. I have owned 2 cars that I bought the first year the model came out. The Model 3 I have had a few dumb issues like, if you run the paint app sometimes the gps location on the map doesn't update until you close the paint app and your displayed location lerps from the old point to the new one over a minute or so. The Mini had an eco mode that would occasionally shut off the engine entirely at highway speed and not allow restart until you came to a full stop and put it in park. Eventually, they just disabled eco mode in software Which took a few weeks of me working from the mini dealer. There was display of how many miles you had gained that reset when you filled the gas tank. My record is 42 Miles gained in eco. After the final update to the software, which was a full day in the garage, My best was 8. One of those was worth running stories in the press about. I guess what I'm saying here is that there is a deep vein of shadenfreude in the news about Tesla. A single Tesla on fire is a big national and some times international news story. I have stopped even reading the damn things. It seems like a weird combination of them being seen as rich people cars, early adopter cars, and liberal hippy cars. Everyone can hate someone on the spectrum. Typically, the issue in articles about Tesla flaws is so isolated and dumb that it exists solely to generate clicks. The last article about Tesla I clicked through stated that consumer reports had downgraded their durability rating due to the discovery of single human hair in the paint of a model Y. I get that it sucks. But, I don't get why I should care about it. I own a Model 3 because I needed a four door car because I had kids, electric seemed like a net win, the local Bolt dealer told me not to buy their car, and the range let me drive to the grandparents houses without a charge. I recognize that there is stuff about the model 3 and Tesla that sucks but overall it has been a pretty solid car for the last 2 years for me. Would I recommend one to you? Yeah. I don't think there is a company that offers the combination of electric car, mature tech, range, and charging network at a similar price tag.