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>> if they've already broken into the house, they will be able to break into any room you are hiding in I disagree. If possible, call the police immediately. B

>> if they've already broken into the house, they will be able to break into any room you are hiding in I disagree. If possible, call the police immediately. Barricade yourself in a room and if it comes to it defend yourself. I don't fancy my chances against someone armed and motivated so it's a last resort. This is based on the advice from the Police Service in my country.

giantg2 6y ago
Dude, what's your interior house walls made of? I'm not saying don't barricade yourself. Just that if you have an attacker in your house who is intent of killing you ("beating you to death") and an average police response of 5 minutes or more, they can get into any room in a typical house. You can barricade the door, but anyone who knows about construction knows drywall is easy enough to get through. Most interior doors are lightweight wood and newer ones are practically cardboard. So usually it's much harder to get into a house from outside than to get to other internal parts of the house due to material differences. I think most people have no idea how insecure their homes are. Mostly because these types of scenarios are statistically rare and people always think it will happen to others. Plus, it could be hard to sleep at night knowing just how easy it is to pick locks if someone actually wanted to.
- rgblambda 6y ago
  Sometimes I forget how America centric HN is. The internal walls in my house are made of stone. But it's an old house. Most in my country are made of brick.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Older homes do tend to be more sturdy. Still, are the interior doors more durable than the external doors? Are the ceilings secure? Could be easy enough to go into the attic (either with access or by force) and come down in the room in under 5 minutes. Of course if the motive is to kill the occupant then the aggressor could bring tools to defeat the construction.
    - rgblambda 6y ago
      This has become quite entertaining. >>Still, are the interior doors more durable than the external doors? Yes. >> Could be easy enough to go into the attic (either with access or by force) and come down in the room in under 5 minutes. Locate the entrance to the attic. Then the room I am in, despite not knowing the layout to the house. Then smash a hole in the ceiling. Then climb through said hole without getting stuck. Without me noticing. In under 5 minutes.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        It is quite interesting. I'm failing to see how you could be missing my point. >>Still, are the interior doors more durable than the external doors? "Yes." I doubt this. They might be equal, but I doubt the exterior door would be weaker than the interior one. It's simply not logical. "Locate the entrance to the attic. Then the room I am in, despite not knowing the layout to the house. Then smash a hole in the ceiling. Then climb through said hole without getting stuck. Without me noticing. In under 5 minutes." Who said the entrance had to be located? If you can smash it down, why not up? (And who said smash? If their motive is to kill you, they may have brought tools, as I said before.) Who said you wouldn't need to notice? The point is that there are weaknesses in any house. Maybe houses in your area aren't drywall, but attackers can adapt their tools and tactics to address whatever is common in that area. It's really not as hard as people think.
        rgblambda 6y ago
        >> I doubt the exterior door would be weaker than the interior one. It's simply not logical. Maybe you're referring to the locks in which case you have a point. But exterior doors in my area tend to have big glass panels on them. >> If you can smash it down, why not up? Are they bringing a ladder as well? >>Who said you wouldn't need to notice? Because then you would know exactly where they are and you could escape more easily.
        giantg2 6y ago
        "Maybe you're referring to the locks in which case you have a point. But exterior doors in my area tend to have big glass panels on them." Locks, sure. But those don't mean much if you have doors and door frames made of wood and they aren't either extremely heavy or reinforced. "Are they bringing a ladder as well?" A ladder or chair from your own home should work fine. You might be suprised at how often burglars use tools they find in the target house. "Because then you would know exactly where they are and you could escape more easily." Not if they're making entry to the attic right outside the room you're in so they can work on that and watch the door. You're really derailing the entire conversation with trivial what-ifs that aren't even related to the original point. None have offered any evidence refuting the point that if someone wants beat you to death, the police will be too slow to save you.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    they're going to be coming through your doors not your walls I would posit. Do you have thick solid hardwood doors internally in your home with really sturdy hinges and locks?
  - Macha 6y ago
    I live in a brick terraced house in a country where brick houses are the norm. Most of the internal walls, and even the dividing wall with my neighbours are drywall. The only brick walls are the front, back, divider with one neighbour and a wall that was formerly an exterior wall prior to an extension 50 years or so ago. The doors themselves are pretty solid but the doorframes and hinges would give way long before that mattered
  - Thlom 6y ago
    I read the first sentence and thought you would comment on the fantasy of the ultra violent burglar who is intent on murdering someone who has barricaded themselves in a closet …
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Why would he? He was the one that said someone is breaking in to beat him to death in the first place.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Yeah, this is my problem with "barricading". I have no doubt I can bust through one of my interior doors with one kick pretty easily. Front and back door are a bit more sturdy of course, hopefully between that and my alarm I'd be able to get to my pump action before the burglars got to my bedroom. My alarm will call the police

giantg2 6y ago

Dude, what's your interior house walls made of? I'm not saying don't barricade yourself. Just that if you have an attacker in your house who is intent of killing you ("beating you to death") and an average police response of 5 minutes or more, they can get into any room in a typical house. You can barricade the door, but anyone who knows about construction knows drywall is easy enough to get through. Most interior doors are lightweight wood and newer ones are practically cardboard. So usually it's much harder to get into a house from outside than to get to other internal parts of the house due to material differences. I think most people have no idea how insecure their homes are. Mostly because these types of scenarios are statistically rare and people always think it will happen to others. Plus, it could be hard to sleep at night knowing just how easy it is to pick locks if someone actually wanted to.

rgblambda 6y ago
Sometimes I forget how America centric HN is. The internal walls in my house are made of stone. But it's an old house. Most in my country are made of brick.
- giantg2 6y ago
  Older homes do tend to be more sturdy. Still, are the interior doors more durable than the external doors? Are the ceilings secure? Could be easy enough to go into the attic (either with access or by force) and come down in the room in under 5 minutes. Of course if the motive is to kill the occupant then the aggressor could bring tools to defeat the construction.
  - rgblambda 6y ago
    This has become quite entertaining. >>Still, are the interior doors more durable than the external doors? Yes. >> Could be easy enough to go into the attic (either with access or by force) and come down in the room in under 5 minutes. Locate the entrance to the attic. Then the room I am in, despite not knowing the layout to the house. Then smash a hole in the ceiling. Then climb through said hole without getting stuck. Without me noticing. In under 5 minutes.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      It is quite interesting. I'm failing to see how you could be missing my point. >>Still, are the interior doors more durable than the external doors? "Yes." I doubt this. They might be equal, but I doubt the exterior door would be weaker than the interior one. It's simply not logical. "Locate the entrance to the attic. Then the room I am in, despite not knowing the layout to the house. Then smash a hole in the ceiling. Then climb through said hole without getting stuck. Without me noticing. In under 5 minutes." Who said the entrance had to be located? If you can smash it down, why not up? (And who said smash? If their motive is to kill you, they may have brought tools, as I said before.) Who said you wouldn't need to notice? The point is that there are weaknesses in any house. Maybe houses in your area aren't drywall, but attackers can adapt their tools and tactics to address whatever is common in that area. It's really not as hard as people think.
      - rgblambda 6y ago
        >> I doubt the exterior door would be weaker than the interior one. It's simply not logical. Maybe you're referring to the locks in which case you have a point. But exterior doors in my area tend to have big glass panels on them. >> If you can smash it down, why not up? Are they bringing a ladder as well? >>Who said you wouldn't need to notice? Because then you would know exactly where they are and you could escape more easily.
        giantg2 6y ago
        "Maybe you're referring to the locks in which case you have a point. But exterior doors in my area tend to have big glass panels on them." Locks, sure. But those don't mean much if you have doors and door frames made of wood and they aren't either extremely heavy or reinforced. "Are they bringing a ladder as well?" A ladder or chair from your own home should work fine. You might be suprised at how often burglars use tools they find in the target house. "Because then you would know exactly where they are and you could escape more easily." Not if they're making entry to the attic right outside the room you're in so they can work on that and watch the door. You're really derailing the entire conversation with trivial what-ifs that aren't even related to the original point. None have offered any evidence refuting the point that if someone wants beat you to death, the police will be too slow to save you.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  they're going to be coming through your doors not your walls I would posit. Do you have thick solid hardwood doors internally in your home with really sturdy hinges and locks?
- Macha 6y ago
  I live in a brick terraced house in a country where brick houses are the norm. Most of the internal walls, and even the dividing wall with my neighbours are drywall. The only brick walls are the front, back, divider with one neighbour and a wall that was formerly an exterior wall prior to an extension 50 years or so ago. The doors themselves are pretty solid but the doorframes and hinges would give way long before that mattered
- Thlom 6y ago
  I read the first sentence and thought you would comment on the fantasy of the ultra violent burglar who is intent on murdering someone who has barricaded themselves in a closet …
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Why would he? He was the one that said someone is breaking in to beat him to death in the first place.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
Yeah, this is my problem with "barricading". I have no doubt I can bust through one of my interior doors with one kick pretty easily. Front and back door are a bit more sturdy of course, hopefully between that and my alarm I'd be able to get to my pump action before the burglars got to my bedroom. My alarm will call the police