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The CIA recognizes Wikileaks as an arm of Kremlin information warfare. Western leftists are all too willing to help Wikileaks deflect from that obvious classifi

by seppin 6y ago

The CIA recognizes Wikileaks as an arm of Kremlin information warfare. Western leftists are all too willing to help Wikileaks deflect from that obvious classification. (julian assange had a TV show on RT, what more do you need?)

stunt 6y ago
> Recognizing Wikileaks as an arm of Kremlin information warfare Isn't that the same strategy that countries like Iran, Russia, and China have against their whistleblowers? And isn't that the exact behavior that we always blame and condemn? We have human rights sanctions against Iran for punishing journalists.
- seppin 6y ago
  > Isn't that the same strategy that countries like Iran, Russia, and China have against their whistleblowers? We can't have a discussion if basic we can't get basic things right. Snowden isn't a whistleblower. He leaked stolen materials then fled to a hostile country. Multiple IC whistleblowers were allowed to testify against the President in the last 4 years, all without punitive punishment (although the Trump's tried). Snowden could have chosen a different path. His impressive control of his own narrative seems to have most of this community fooled.
roenxi 6y ago
One of Wikileak's overt and major goals is to expose CIA secrets. The two are in direct opposition. The CIA are known to be professional bad-faith liers (eg, [0]). It is quite possible they are lieing for political purposes. Their opinion on Wikileaks is not remotely authoritative. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies#Covert_programs_hidden_from_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies#Cove...
- seppin 6y ago
  > One of Wikileak's overt and major goals is to expose CIA secrets. The two are in direct opposition. Yes, which makes them an opposition intelligence organization. Like I said.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>julian assange had a TV show on RT, what more do you need?) I love this argument as it turns both Larry King and Jesse Ventura into Kremlin agents.
- seppin 6y ago
  No he is a Kremlin agent for using his once storied organization for espionage. The RT job was to point out the obvious relationship between himself and Russian propaganda efforts going back decades.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    It has only been one decade since he created a show that RT broadcast, but you've done nothing to show why that relationship makes him a Kremlin agent but not King and Ventura. This argument is ridiculous. If there was any actual evidence he was a Kremlin agent, why would they currently be using the flimsy hacking charges to extradite him?
    - seppin 6y ago
      Again, it's proof of a relationship. His actions via Wikileaks is proof he is a Russian asset. King and Ventura didn't participate in a coordinated attack on American democracy, so your comparison remains useless. > If there was any actual evidence he was a Kremlin agent "why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges?" That's really not how it works.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        Publishing reliable information that is politically relevant is not a "coordinated attack on American democracy," it's journalism. The only link you've provided is common between the three of them. >why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges? We already know that all of his communication in the Ecuadorian embassy were tapped for years, what are they protecting?

by seppin 6y ago

stunt 6y ago

> Recognizing Wikileaks as an arm of Kremlin information warfare Isn't that the same strategy that countries like Iran, Russia, and China have against their whistleblowers? And isn't that the exact behavior that we always blame and condemn? We have human rights sanctions against Iran for punishing journalists.

seppin 6y ago
> Isn't that the same strategy that countries like Iran, Russia, and China have against their whistleblowers? We can't have a discussion if basic we can't get basic things right. Snowden isn't a whistleblower. He leaked stolen materials then fled to a hostile country. Multiple IC whistleblowers were allowed to testify against the President in the last 4 years, all without punitive punishment (although the Trump's tried). Snowden could have chosen a different path. His impressive control of his own narrative seems to have most of this community fooled.

roenxi 6y ago

One of Wikileak's overt and major goals is to expose CIA secrets. The two are in direct opposition. The CIA are known to be professional bad-faith liers (eg, [0]). It is quite possible they are lieing for political purposes. Their opinion on Wikileaks is not remotely authoritative. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies#Covert_programs_hidden_from_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies#Cove...

seppin 6y ago
> One of Wikileak's overt and major goals is to expose CIA secrets. The two are in direct opposition. Yes, which makes them an opposition intelligence organization. Like I said.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>julian assange had a TV show on RT, what more do you need?) I love this argument as it turns both Larry King and Jesse Ventura into Kremlin agents.

seppin 6y ago
No he is a Kremlin agent for using his once storied organization for espionage. The RT job was to point out the obvious relationship between himself and Russian propaganda efforts going back decades.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  It has only been one decade since he created a show that RT broadcast, but you've done nothing to show why that relationship makes him a Kremlin agent but not King and Ventura. This argument is ridiculous. If there was any actual evidence he was a Kremlin agent, why would they currently be using the flimsy hacking charges to extradite him?
  - seppin 6y ago
    Again, it's proof of a relationship. His actions via Wikileaks is proof he is a Russian asset. King and Ventura didn't participate in a coordinated attack on American democracy, so your comparison remains useless. > If there was any actual evidence he was a Kremlin agent "why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges?" That's really not how it works.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      Publishing reliable information that is politically relevant is not a "coordinated attack on American democracy," it's journalism. The only link you've provided is common between the three of them. >why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges? We already know that all of his communication in the Ecuadorian embassy were tapped for years, what are they protecting?