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> We're failing our women by making them work. I think you should re-examine your opinion and address the misogyny inherent to the outdated and authoritarian c

> We're failing our women by making them work. I think you should re-examine your opinion and address the misogyny inherent to the outdated and authoritarian concept that women shouldn't be doing important work unless it's related to child rearing. Women and men alike want to accomplish things in life beyond parenting.

apta 6y ago
No reason that women can't accomplish important things, the problem is that feminism pushed the false narrative that men and women are equal across the board, this is obviously a fallacious and dangerous premise, and now society is paying the price. They also brainwashed people that any criticism of their toxic ideas is automatically labeled as "misogynistic", "patriarchal" and "authoritarian", etc. Add to that the notion of equality of outcome (instead of equality of opportunity), and we see what it leads to.
- cforrester 6y ago
  I would appreciate if you could make a more substantial comment instead of simply trying to use "feminism" as a dirty word. I invite you to revisit the comment I replied to and recognize the way it denies women's agency by presuming that the author understands women's aspirations better than they themselves do. Paternalistic attitudes about how women don't belong in the workplace for their own good are rooted in misogyny, and facile appeals to "brainwashing" don't make for a compelling statement to the contrary.
  - apta 6y ago
    I didn't say they never belong in the workplace. However, the toxicity of feminism is that one of the rotten values it introduced is that a woman must go to the workplace, otherwise she is worthless. Not only that, she has to compete head to head with men, even though biologically speaking, men and women are not the same. Men are more vicious and ferocious, and expecting women to face up to them will not end up well. Anyone paying attention already sees it unfold in front of us.
    - globular-toast 6y ago
      > Men are more vicious and ferocious I mostly agree with what you're saying but it's important to address this fallacy. "Men" are not more vicious or ferocious. On average, "men" are mediocre. Compared to the average woman, the inability to reproduce makes the average man far less valuable. It is only a select few individuals who carry exceptional abilities. Women don't have to compete with average men, they have to compete with the top men. It's the top men society looks up to. It's the top men that women want. Average men are invisible. A useless by product of natural selection.
      - apta 6y ago
        I see what you're saying, but I think there's more to it. Mixing men and women in the workplace has been a recipe for disaster time and time again. I'm not excusing the behavior of men who do engage in those actions, but it's almost an expected outcome. We see this across the board, from desk jobs, to labor intensive work like construction or even the military. Agreed that people look to those at the top of the society. In a hyper capitalistic world we live in today, the vast majority of those people are the ultra wealthy, who happen to almost all be men. Many of those men fought their way up, rightly or wrongly. Feminists and SWJ's want to push women into that same space, claiming that men and women are the same, yet they don't see the contradiction of having to hand hold those women in order for them to be able to compete there in the first place. They're implicitly admitting that men and women are different, but they can't deal with the cognitive dissonance.
    - cforrester 6y ago
      The vast majority of employment opportunities do not involve physical labour requiring strength on a level unobtainable by women. Even moreso intellectually and socially, the sweeping majority of employment opportunities are equally accessible on physiological grounds to any sex. Time and again, we find that the main impediments to women's success in the workplace are the social constructs built to keep men and women in their designated roles. You're leaning very heavily on a fallacious understanding of human biology to make unsupportable declarations regarding the nature of human social interaction. It's troubling that you appear to believe women are inherently incompetent when working alongside men, and thus in need of protection from them. It's a given that I find that paternalistic view acutely misogynistic, but I'd also like to emphasize the disservice you do to men by painting them as brutish predators. I wholly reject any concept of manhood rooted in emphasizing social and physical superiority over women, such as this.

apta 6y ago

No reason that women can't accomplish important things, the problem is that feminism pushed the false narrative that men and women are equal across the board, this is obviously a fallacious and dangerous premise, and now society is paying the price. They also brainwashed people that any criticism of their toxic ideas is automatically labeled as "misogynistic", "patriarchal" and "authoritarian", etc. Add to that the notion of equality of outcome (instead of equality of opportunity), and we see what it leads to.

cforrester 6y ago
I would appreciate if you could make a more substantial comment instead of simply trying to use "feminism" as a dirty word. I invite you to revisit the comment I replied to and recognize the way it denies women's agency by presuming that the author understands women's aspirations better than they themselves do. Paternalistic attitudes about how women don't belong in the workplace for their own good are rooted in misogyny, and facile appeals to "brainwashing" don't make for a compelling statement to the contrary.
- apta 6y ago
  I didn't say they never belong in the workplace. However, the toxicity of feminism is that one of the rotten values it introduced is that a woman must go to the workplace, otherwise she is worthless. Not only that, she has to compete head to head with men, even though biologically speaking, men and women are not the same. Men are more vicious and ferocious, and expecting women to face up to them will not end up well. Anyone paying attention already sees it unfold in front of us.
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    > Men are more vicious and ferocious I mostly agree with what you're saying but it's important to address this fallacy. "Men" are not more vicious or ferocious. On average, "men" are mediocre. Compared to the average woman, the inability to reproduce makes the average man far less valuable. It is only a select few individuals who carry exceptional abilities. Women don't have to compete with average men, they have to compete with the top men. It's the top men society looks up to. It's the top men that women want. Average men are invisible. A useless by product of natural selection.
    - apta 6y ago
      I see what you're saying, but I think there's more to it. Mixing men and women in the workplace has been a recipe for disaster time and time again. I'm not excusing the behavior of men who do engage in those actions, but it's almost an expected outcome. We see this across the board, from desk jobs, to labor intensive work like construction or even the military. Agreed that people look to those at the top of the society. In a hyper capitalistic world we live in today, the vast majority of those people are the ultra wealthy, who happen to almost all be men. Many of those men fought their way up, rightly or wrongly. Feminists and SWJ's want to push women into that same space, claiming that men and women are the same, yet they don't see the contradiction of having to hand hold those women in order for them to be able to compete there in the first place. They're implicitly admitting that men and women are different, but they can't deal with the cognitive dissonance.
  - cforrester 6y ago
    The vast majority of employment opportunities do not involve physical labour requiring strength on a level unobtainable by women. Even moreso intellectually and socially, the sweeping majority of employment opportunities are equally accessible on physiological grounds to any sex. Time and again, we find that the main impediments to women's success in the workplace are the social constructs built to keep men and women in their designated roles. You're leaning very heavily on a fallacious understanding of human biology to make unsupportable declarations regarding the nature of human social interaction. It's troubling that you appear to believe women are inherently incompetent when working alongside men, and thus in need of protection from them. It's a given that I find that paternalistic view acutely misogynistic, but I'd also like to emphasize the disservice you do to men by painting them as brutish predators. I wholly reject any concept of manhood rooted in emphasizing social and physical superiority over women, such as this.