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They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention. That is s

They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention. That is slavery. There's also the problem with them getting gutted for the organ transplants that China's own doctors have reported to be 4 times higher than they should be for the population size. So it is work, or go to detention and possibly get gutted.

JoshTko 6y ago
What sources are you getting the organ transplants information from?
- mgh2 6y ago
  Speculation from multiple sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZschwFN-c&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZschwFN-c&ab_channel=SkyNe... Extrapolation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
- hcurtiss 6y ago
  Odd to me that your question -- a genuine question -- would be downvoted.
  - zenexer 6y ago
    Probably because it’s received quite a bit of attention. If you’ve been reading HN for a while, particularly articles about the recent injustices in China, you’ve likely already encountered such claims.
    - deleted 6y ago
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- TimTheTinker 6y ago
  Here's one: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...
- lgvld 6y ago
  I often hear that uyghurs organs are sold as pure/halal organs to muslims from Saudi Arabia (and other rich muslims countries). If it is true -- and I think it is -- that is indeed absolutly abominable. https://www.saveuighur.org/the-economics-of-chinas-organ-harvesting/ https://www.saveuighur.org/the-economics-of-chinas-organ-har... https://theircc.org/organharvesting/ https://theircc.org/organharvesting/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
- scrps 6y ago
  https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12910-019-0406-6 https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s129...
- FartyMcFarter 6y ago
  Directly from Enver Tohti, a Chinese doctor who was involved in organ harvesting: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/surgeon-claims-china-still-harvests-1816592 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/surgeon-cla... > But when Tohti arrived at the destination, he was shocked to find at least 10 prisoners had been shot in a field by a firing squad. > Armed police waved the surgeon and his medical team over and directed them to a man lying unconscious on blood-soaked ground. > Tohti said: “He’d been shot in the right-hand side of the chest but was still alive. > “I told my chief surgeon he wasn’t dead but he ordered me to remove the man’s liver and kidneys there and then – and to be quick about it. I was ordered not to give the man any anaesthetic.”
  - downrightmike 6y ago
    Fuck, that is way worse that I had heard. JFC
- mgh2 6y ago
  Direct testimony from a doctor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZXRobpNsHA&ab_channel=NTD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZXRobpNsHA&ab_channel=NTD
amscanne 6y ago
> They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which, putting problems and criticisms aside, is definitely different from slavery. I don't think the imprecision in language is helpful, it hurts the cause in the same way people constantly referring to modern political leaders as literal Nazis hurts their credibility.
- bigbubba 6y ago
  > This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which [...] is definitely different from slavery Did you sleep though civics class? Go read the thirteenth amendment.
  - DenisM 6y ago
    Please don't do that here. From the guidelines: > Don't be snarky. > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - bigbubba 6y ago
      Run tell dang. Maybe he'll wake up and do something about the blatant CCP shills (I doubt it) after giving me a scolding for telling him (and you) to fuck off.
      - DenisM 6y ago
        > CCP shills And that is also against the rules: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you despise the rules so much why do you even keep coming here?
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
Lutger 6y ago
Don't forget tortured, gang raped and sterilized.
bwilli123 6y ago
"They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention..." An Amazon warehouse is already 90% there then.

JoshTko 6y ago

What sources are you getting the organ transplants information from?

mgh2 6y ago
Speculation from multiple sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZschwFN-c&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZschwFN-c&ab_channel=SkyNe... Extrapolation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
hcurtiss 6y ago
Odd to me that your question -- a genuine question -- would be downvoted.
- zenexer 6y ago
  Probably because it’s received quite a bit of attention. If you’ve been reading HN for a while, particularly articles about the recent injustices in China, you’ve likely already encountered such claims.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
TimTheTinker 6y ago
Here's one: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...
lgvld 6y ago
I often hear that uyghurs organs are sold as pure/halal organs to muslims from Saudi Arabia (and other rich muslims countries). If it is true -- and I think it is -- that is indeed absolutly abominable. https://www.saveuighur.org/the-economics-of-chinas-organ-harvesting/ https://www.saveuighur.org/the-economics-of-chinas-organ-har... https://theircc.org/organharvesting/ https://theircc.org/organharvesting/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
scrps 6y ago
https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12910-019-0406-6 https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s129...
FartyMcFarter 6y ago
Directly from Enver Tohti, a Chinese doctor who was involved in organ harvesting: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/surgeon-claims-china-still-harvests-1816592 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/surgeon-cla... > But when Tohti arrived at the destination, he was shocked to find at least 10 prisoners had been shot in a field by a firing squad. > Armed police waved the surgeon and his medical team over and directed them to a man lying unconscious on blood-soaked ground. > Tohti said: “He’d been shot in the right-hand side of the chest but was still alive. > “I told my chief surgeon he wasn’t dead but he ordered me to remove the man’s liver and kidneys there and then – and to be quick about it. I was ordered not to give the man any anaesthetic.”
- downrightmike 6y ago
  Fuck, that is way worse that I had heard. JFC
mgh2 6y ago
Direct testimony from a doctor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZXRobpNsHA&ab_channel=NTD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZXRobpNsHA&ab_channel=NTD

amscanne 6y ago

> They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which, putting problems and criticisms aside, is definitely different from slavery. I don't think the imprecision in language is helpful, it hurts the cause in the same way people constantly referring to modern political leaders as literal Nazis hurts their credibility.

bigbubba 6y ago
> This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which [...] is definitely different from slavery Did you sleep though civics class? Go read the thirteenth amendment.
- DenisM 6y ago
  Please don't do that here. From the guidelines: > Don't be snarky. > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - bigbubba 6y ago
    Run tell dang. Maybe he'll wake up and do something about the blatant CCP shills (I doubt it) after giving me a scolding for telling him (and you) to fuck off.
    - DenisM 6y ago
      > CCP shills And that is also against the rules: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you despise the rules so much why do you even keep coming here?
- wizzwizz4 6y ago

Lutger 6y ago

Don't forget tortured, gang raped and sterilized.

bwilli123 6y ago

"They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention..." An Amazon warehouse is already 90% there then.