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Looks like he started a channel on a Peertube server, but it has nothing on it yet. I hope he has a backup of all his videos. ALWAYS HAVE A LOCAL BACKUP of all

Looks like he started a channel on a Peertube server, but it has nothing on it yet. I hope he has a backup of all his videos. ALWAYS HAVE A LOCAL BACKUP of all the content you upload to other services. Facebook is not your photo backup. All your stuff could disappear off Google tomorrow. The cloud is literally someone else's computer. The biggest takeaway for all YouToobers is to organize all their videos in a manor that they can upload them to a new place when (not if) the time comes. YouTube is going to become a dinosaur in a few years. I don't see people finding meaningful content on it with the shit they keep pulling.

ve55 6y ago
I would go even further: Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you, whether you made it or not, unless you know there are many other accessible versions of it for redundancy. You never know when a large company will delete it without notice. (Is this feasible? Perhaps not, but given how cheap storage is, if this could be even semi-automated, it would easily save a lot of heartache for some at many points in their life, especially in the worst cases of things like their Google accounts being banned)
- phendrenad2 6y ago
  This 1000%. I can't tell you how many times I click a link, find it's broken, plug it into Wayback Machine, only to find it was never indexed, or the images weren't archived, or only the homepage was indexed, etc.
- Ruthalas 6y ago
  If you archive youtube content, consider stopping by my discord server. https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf I maintain a list of content that various members have archived, such that if anything is removed, people can direct inquiries to people who have archived that content. It's a small way to keep track of what things have been successfully archived, and direct efforts toward at-risk channels. (You can see the current list of user-archived content here: https://tinyurl.com/v4rpe9w https://tinyurl.com/v4rpe9w)
  - myself248 6y ago
    This is great; is there any view towards rehosting this stuff on peertube or whatever? Or is it okay for now, to just know that it's sitting on someone's disk, as long as we know how to reach that someone if needed?
    - corobo 6y ago
      That sounds like a good way to get it all DMCAd
    - Ruthalas 6y ago
      I've considered uploading to a peertube instance, but I ran into an issue where the instance seemed to have a policy prohibiting mirroring existing/live channels. For the moment I make my archive available via Soulseek, and am open to requests!
      - p1necone 6y ago
        I'm not surprised that there are policies against people reuploading other peoples content.
  - ddevault 6y ago
    Not very wise of you to depend on Discord and Google Sheets instead of more open alternatives when you're organizing a group whose purpose is to literally preserve the victims of corporate censorship.
    - BuildTheRobots 6y ago
      There's certainly irony there, but then they're actually getting on with stuff rather than debating tooling. Discord and sheets are also both free - anything else is going to require an investment of money and time.
    - Ruthalas 6y ago
      That's fair. I take automatic backups of the sheet, such that if access to that is eventually lost I can republish via another method. Discord is used for the simple reason that the current goal is to gain as much traction and participation as possible. The Rocketchat server I host, and the IRC channels I could have used would both acted as barriers of entry to a lot of possible participants. Perhaps with time I can push for a migration to a solution I host. For the moment I'll stick with these tools, and plan for their failure as best I can.
- Causality1 6y ago
  Seconded. My go-to for site archival is HTTRACK but there may be more modern tools that handle active content better.
  - ramraj07 6y ago
    Does this work on all the dumb SPAs of today?
- markus_zhang 6y ago
  Agreed. Nowadays if I found anything really interesting and not a video I'll just save the while webpage in local. Usually only the texts and pictures matter so when I reopen them the webpages still look OK. I wonder how to trigger archive.org spiders...
- prvc 6y ago
  >Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you Also would be a nice service to others to create a backup on archive.today and archive.org, and similar sites.
colpabar 6y ago
>I don't see people finding meaningful content on it I think the problem is that "meaningful content" doesn't really matter. Ever heard of mukbang? Or reaction videos? Lots of people understand that if you make a 10 minute video that can be used as background noise while working or playing video games, you can make a lot of money. Youtube has to be aware of this, which would explain why they so quickly take down any video that advertisers might not like. It may become a dinosaur to people who value quality content, but go search the topics I mentioned and compare the view counts to the types of videos you normally watch.
jrwr 6y ago
one of the biggest issues with peer tube is of course discoverability, but also that most instances don't give you any real space to work with to publish content as well.
giantg2 6y ago
And it's not really backed up unless you have a backup of the backup.
- hinkley 6y ago
  It's not really backed up if you haven't proven you can read the "backup".
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Yep! I had a department head tell me that we shouldn't prioritize a fix for an SQL injection vulnerability (with full schema privileges!) for a critical system because we have a backup service. I then asked if we've tested it - Nope. I then asked if we had documentation on how to do it - Nope. I left that department as soon as I could.
    - jarkhen 6y ago
      Was there no concern about an attacker being able to -read- the contents, as well?
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Not really. It was an internal application, which greatly reduced the risk. The type of information wouldn't be very useful to an attacker. The main problem is that there are developers and business people who also run some SQL and use the system. If they accidentally paste SQL into a search box, it will execute. They could drop tables or anything, even in PRD. If someone were disgruntled or an attacker gained access they could intentionally wipeout the database.
intricatedetail 6y ago
Shouldnt they allow data export in a way that could be used to upload all content to a different platform? I think that's GDPR data portability clause. Unless YouTube is exempt (and probably technically is exempt as no civil servant will dare to touch such a giant)
racl101 6y ago
I find it so goofy that people never bother to save a local backup of work they spent hours and hours curating. Have they never ever written an essay on Microsoft Word and then lost the progress cause they never saved it on a floppy?
- TACIXAT 6y ago
  Videos are big. I have a YouTube channel and don't back my videos up. Quite the opposite, I regularly delete them to free up harddisk space. I do cross post them to lbry.tv though which I've found a lot better than peertube.
  - nmfisher 6y ago
    First time I've heard of lbry.tv - just curious, what's the main attraction for you?
    - raarts 6y ago
      I think they are as close to uncensorable as you can get. See https://lbry.tech https://lbry.tech
    - TACIXAT 6y ago
      Features and monetization. Peer tube instances had serious upload limits, and it’s been a while since I looked but there were some major missing features like descriptions or editing or something. I actually really like pornhub’s monetization options but there is no audience there for the videos I make. Lbry struck a balance between features and not a porn site. I make computer security videos so there is a non negligible chance my YouTube will get deleted.
mobilemidget 6y ago
Maybe when everybody has gbit+ upload speeds at home. I know I would host a lot more things from home if I had better upload at home.
tracker1 6y ago
Beyond that, would suggest Youtubers peer their content on a few of the upstarts. I've started using Bitchute and Odysee a bit more.
gcblkjaidfj 6y ago
On one hand people preach "always have a local backup" and on the other "back ups on google drive is super easy". heh. i guess we should get ready for next decade hearing a lot of "Have you lost pictures and memories of loved ones on Google Drive or a service affiliated with AWS? We at lawyer & lawyer ..."
- saagarjha 6y ago
  You can back up on the cloud and locally.

ve55 6y ago

I would go even further: Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you, whether you made it or not, unless you know there are many other accessible versions of it for redundancy. You never know when a large company will delete it without notice. (Is this feasible? Perhaps not, but given how cheap storage is, if this could be even semi-automated, it would easily save a lot of heartache for some at many points in their life, especially in the worst cases of things like their Google accounts being banned)

phendrenad2 6y ago
This 1000%. I can't tell you how many times I click a link, find it's broken, plug it into Wayback Machine, only to find it was never indexed, or the images weren't archived, or only the homepage was indexed, etc.
Ruthalas 6y ago
If you archive youtube content, consider stopping by my discord server. https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf I maintain a list of content that various members have archived, such that if anything is removed, people can direct inquiries to people who have archived that content. It's a small way to keep track of what things have been successfully archived, and direct efforts toward at-risk channels. (You can see the current list of user-archived content here: https://tinyurl.com/v4rpe9w https://tinyurl.com/v4rpe9w)
- myself248 6y ago
  This is great; is there any view towards rehosting this stuff on peertube or whatever? Or is it okay for now, to just know that it's sitting on someone's disk, as long as we know how to reach that someone if needed?
  - corobo 6y ago
    That sounds like a good way to get it all DMCAd
  - Ruthalas 6y ago
    I've considered uploading to a peertube instance, but I ran into an issue where the instance seemed to have a policy prohibiting mirroring existing/live channels. For the moment I make my archive available via Soulseek, and am open to requests!
    - p1necone 6y ago
      I'm not surprised that there are policies against people reuploading other peoples content.
- ddevault 6y ago
  Not very wise of you to depend on Discord and Google Sheets instead of more open alternatives when you're organizing a group whose purpose is to literally preserve the victims of corporate censorship.
  - BuildTheRobots 6y ago
    There's certainly irony there, but then they're actually getting on with stuff rather than debating tooling. Discord and sheets are also both free - anything else is going to require an investment of money and time.
  - Ruthalas 6y ago
    That's fair. I take automatic backups of the sheet, such that if access to that is eventually lost I can republish via another method. Discord is used for the simple reason that the current goal is to gain as much traction and participation as possible. The Rocketchat server I host, and the IRC channels I could have used would both acted as barriers of entry to a lot of possible participants. Perhaps with time I can push for a migration to a solution I host. For the moment I'll stick with these tools, and plan for their failure as best I can.
Causality1 6y ago
Seconded. My go-to for site archival is HTTRACK but there may be more modern tools that handle active content better.
- ramraj07 6y ago
  Does this work on all the dumb SPAs of today?
markus_zhang 6y ago
Agreed. Nowadays if I found anything really interesting and not a video I'll just save the while webpage in local. Usually only the texts and pictures matter so when I reopen them the webpages still look OK. I wonder how to trigger archive.org spiders...
prvc 6y ago
>Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you Also would be a nice service to others to create a backup on archive.today and archive.org, and similar sites.

colpabar 6y ago

>I don't see people finding meaningful content on it I think the problem is that "meaningful content" doesn't really matter. Ever heard of mukbang? Or reaction videos? Lots of people understand that if you make a 10 minute video that can be used as background noise while working or playing video games, you can make a lot of money. Youtube has to be aware of this, which would explain why they so quickly take down any video that advertisers might not like. It may become a dinosaur to people who value quality content, but go search the topics I mentioned and compare the view counts to the types of videos you normally watch.

jrwr 6y ago

one of the biggest issues with peer tube is of course discoverability, but also that most instances don't give you any real space to work with to publish content as well.

giantg2 6y ago

And it's not really backed up unless you have a backup of the backup.

hinkley 6y ago
It's not really backed up if you haven't proven you can read the "backup".
- giantg2 6y ago
  Yep! I had a department head tell me that we shouldn't prioritize a fix for an SQL injection vulnerability (with full schema privileges!) for a critical system because we have a backup service. I then asked if we've tested it - Nope. I then asked if we had documentation on how to do it - Nope. I left that department as soon as I could.
  - jarkhen 6y ago
    Was there no concern about an attacker being able to -read- the contents, as well?
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Not really. It was an internal application, which greatly reduced the risk. The type of information wouldn't be very useful to an attacker. The main problem is that there are developers and business people who also run some SQL and use the system. If they accidentally paste SQL into a search box, it will execute. They could drop tables or anything, even in PRD. If someone were disgruntled or an attacker gained access they could intentionally wipeout the database.

intricatedetail 6y ago

Shouldnt they allow data export in a way that could be used to upload all content to a different platform? I think that's GDPR data portability clause. Unless YouTube is exempt (and probably technically is exempt as no civil servant will dare to touch such a giant)

racl101 6y ago

I find it so goofy that people never bother to save a local backup of work they spent hours and hours curating. Have they never ever written an essay on Microsoft Word and then lost the progress cause they never saved it on a floppy?

TACIXAT 6y ago
Videos are big. I have a YouTube channel and don't back my videos up. Quite the opposite, I regularly delete them to free up harddisk space. I do cross post them to lbry.tv though which I've found a lot better than peertube.
- nmfisher 6y ago
  First time I've heard of lbry.tv - just curious, what's the main attraction for you?
  - raarts 6y ago
    I think they are as close to uncensorable as you can get. See https://lbry.tech https://lbry.tech
  - TACIXAT 6y ago
    Features and monetization. Peer tube instances had serious upload limits, and it’s been a while since I looked but there were some major missing features like descriptions or editing or something. I actually really like pornhub’s monetization options but there is no audience there for the videos I make. Lbry struck a balance between features and not a porn site. I make computer security videos so there is a non negligible chance my YouTube will get deleted.

mobilemidget 6y ago

Maybe when everybody has gbit+ upload speeds at home. I know I would host a lot more things from home if I had better upload at home.

tracker1 6y ago

Beyond that, would suggest Youtubers peer their content on a few of the upstarts. I've started using Bitchute and Odysee a bit more.

gcblkjaidfj 6y ago

On one hand people preach "always have a local backup" and on the other "back ups on google drive is super easy". heh. i guess we should get ready for next decade hearing a lot of "Have you lost pictures and memories of loved ones on Google Drive or a service affiliated with AWS? We at lawyer & lawyer ..."

saagarjha 6y ago
You can back up on the cloud and locally.