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Don’t trivialize nazi concentration camps by comparing them to some re-education camps. I highly doubt the number of deaths that occurred in these camps is any

by __m 6y ago

Don’t trivialize nazi concentration camps by comparing them to some re-education camps. I highly doubt the number of deaths that occurred in these camps is anywhere close to the deaths that Apple‘s home country caused in its own war on terror, including torture and war crimes. With police brutality and the highest incarceration rate in the world, how can a company that values human lives do business in the US?

skinkestek 6y ago
We shouldn't trivialize nazi atrocities. However we also shouldn't trivialize Chinese atrocities: A number of the things that happens there will hopefully get into the history wall of shame as soon as we dare challenge it. We are however in a rough place right now IMO: - US is weak and has little (but still significant) moral edge. - US has a military edge but a full scale conflict will >70% become really messy (think nuclear) - China has a number of other countries (and influential persons) around the world by the b*lls. - China has an advantage on manufacturing and logistics Anyone who wants to fix this - either needs a brilliant idea and probably lots of luck - or some serious skills in politics (to get local support for taking correct actions with the necessary firmness)
jp_sc 6y ago
"Re-education camps" aren't they? They can call them "happy unicorn camps" and they will be still concentration camps. They use them as slave labor and human organ farms. How on Earth, can you even try to gaslight us saying China concentration camps are "nicer" than the Nazis?
kortilla 6y ago
Wow the desperation it takes to try to misdirect the conversation camps to the “war on terror”. Right out of a whataboutism propaganda playbook. A citizen of any regime, from the best to the most brutal, can criticize China and it does not detract from the argument at all. It’s not hypocritical because citizens are not the government; and, even if it was directly from the government and was hypocritical, the substance of the argument does not change. Calling someone a hypocrite is just an ad hominem.
- __m 6y ago
  Misdirect? The camps are China‘s war on terror, a comparison is appropriate.

by __m 6y ago

skinkestek 6y ago

We shouldn't trivialize nazi atrocities. However we also shouldn't trivialize Chinese atrocities: A number of the things that happens there will hopefully get into the history wall of shame as soon as we dare challenge it. We are however in a rough place right now IMO: - US is weak and has little (but still significant) moral edge. - US has a military edge but a full scale conflict will >70% become really messy (think nuclear) - China has a number of other countries (and influential persons) around the world by the b*lls. - China has an advantage on manufacturing and logistics Anyone who wants to fix this - either needs a brilliant idea and probably lots of luck - or some serious skills in politics (to get local support for taking correct actions with the necessary firmness)

jp_sc 6y ago

"Re-education camps" aren't they? They can call them "happy unicorn camps" and they will be still concentration camps. They use them as slave labor and human organ farms. How on Earth, can you even try to gaslight us saying China concentration camps are "nicer" than the Nazis?

kortilla 6y ago

Wow the desperation it takes to try to misdirect the conversation camps to the “war on terror”. Right out of a whataboutism propaganda playbook. A citizen of any regime, from the best to the most brutal, can criticize China and it does not detract from the argument at all. It’s not hypocritical because citizens are not the government; and, even if it was directly from the government and was hypocritical, the substance of the argument does not change. Calling someone a hypocrite is just an ad hominem.

__m 6y ago
Misdirect? The camps are China‘s war on terror, a comparison is appropriate.