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there is nothing different this day and age except awareness crime is lower across the board compared to 15-20 years ago ignorance was bliss, for you

AlecSchueler 6y ago
Awareness also brings behavioural changes. Could be there's less crime because of all the extra precautions being taken.
- vmception 6y ago
  No? A) There are easy marks everywhere. B) Which crimes did your mind gravitate towards? Were those crimes ever major parts of all crimes committed? Does the presence or absence of children materially change any of that?
  - giantg2 6y ago
    There's a pretty popular theory that the advances in forensics and the prevalence of surveillance cameras are a driving factor in the reduction of crime. Even stuff like kids having a cell phone to call police or track their location could be a mitigating factor. I do agree that there are still many easy marks. I think the advancement of the aforementioned technologies and the parent comment's point about parents in general being more cautious removes many of the opportunity for certain crimes, or at least to get away with them.
yostrovs 6y ago
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fogihujy 6y ago
> there is nothing different this day and age except awareness And the fact that crime has dropped like a rock, with a ~20 year lag, after leaded fuel was phased out.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  If someone hasn’t seen the Drum article, here it is. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposur...
  - HeWhoLurksLate 6y ago
    Thanks, hadn't read that before, and now I know more than I did. That's a kinda heavy article to read esp. considering what we might be doing that'll have unknown effects in 20 years
- nearbuy 6y ago
  This New Zealand study [1] attempted to look at the crime-lead relation in a place where it wasn't confounded by childhood socioeconomic status, and "failed to support a dose-response association between BLL (blood lead level) and consequential criminal offending". I'm not trying to say the theory is wrong; just that correlations are really tricky to study, it's hard to control for all confounding variables, and it's hard to know for certain when a correlation is due to causation. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2666777 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/...
  - mleonhard 6y ago
    > Blood lead level measured at age 11 years. The harm by lead occurs in the first 3 years of life. High blood lead in early childhood is not detected later in childhood [0]. The New Zealand study uses blood tests performed ten years too late. This flaw makes the study almost useless. Additionally, only 30 of the children in the study had low blood lead, <5 ug/dL. This is because the blood was collected in the 1980s and New Zealand only banned leaded gasoline in 1996. Look at Figure 1 in [1], and notice that at 5ug/dL, the damage is already done. [0] Caito, S., & Aschner, M. (2017). Developmental Neurotoxicity of Lead. Neurotoxicity of Metals, 3–12. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-60189-2_1 [1] Nevin, R. (2000). How Lead Exposure Relates to Temporal Changes in IQ, Violent Crime, and Unwed Pregnancy. Environmental Research, 83(1), 1–22. doi:10.1006/enrs.1999.4045

AlecSchueler 6y ago

Awareness also brings behavioural changes. Could be there's less crime because of all the extra precautions being taken.

vmception 6y ago
No? A) There are easy marks everywhere. B) Which crimes did your mind gravitate towards? Were those crimes ever major parts of all crimes committed? Does the presence or absence of children materially change any of that?
- giantg2 6y ago
  There's a pretty popular theory that the advances in forensics and the prevalence of surveillance cameras are a driving factor in the reduction of crime. Even stuff like kids having a cell phone to call police or track their location could be a mitigating factor. I do agree that there are still many easy marks. I think the advancement of the aforementioned technologies and the parent comment's point about parents in general being more cautious removes many of the opportunity for certain crimes, or at least to get away with them.

yostrovs 6y ago

fogihujy 6y ago

> there is nothing different this day and age except awareness And the fact that crime has dropped like a rock, with a ~20 year lag, after leaded fuel was phased out.

lostlogin 6y ago
If someone hasn’t seen the Drum article, here it is. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposur...
- HeWhoLurksLate 6y ago
  Thanks, hadn't read that before, and now I know more than I did. That's a kinda heavy article to read esp. considering what we might be doing that'll have unknown effects in 20 years
nearbuy 6y ago
This New Zealand study [1] attempted to look at the crime-lead relation in a place where it wasn't confounded by childhood socioeconomic status, and "failed to support a dose-response association between BLL (blood lead level) and consequential criminal offending". I'm not trying to say the theory is wrong; just that correlations are really tricky to study, it's hard to control for all confounding variables, and it's hard to know for certain when a correlation is due to causation. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2666777 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/...
- mleonhard 6y ago
  > Blood lead level measured at age 11 years. The harm by lead occurs in the first 3 years of life. High blood lead in early childhood is not detected later in childhood [0]. The New Zealand study uses blood tests performed ten years too late. This flaw makes the study almost useless. Additionally, only 30 of the children in the study had low blood lead, <5 ug/dL. This is because the blood was collected in the 1980s and New Zealand only banned leaded gasoline in 1996. Look at Figure 1 in [1], and notice that at 5ug/dL, the damage is already done. [0] Caito, S., & Aschner, M. (2017). Developmental Neurotoxicity of Lead. Neurotoxicity of Metals, 3–12. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-60189-2_1 [1] Nevin, R. (2000). How Lead Exposure Relates to Temporal Changes in IQ, Violent Crime, and Unwed Pregnancy. Environmental Research, 83(1), 1–22. doi:10.1006/enrs.1999.4045