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YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason
- vmception 6y agoCould be a mistake but it could also be in line with their already stated policy of removing hacking information. I don't care about the distinction you are about to make nor do I care to post an opinion on the matter. Just information for anyone passing by.
- viseztrance 6y agoWhere will they draw the line? What about channels focused on the physical security like Lock Picking Lawyer?
- vmception 6y agoThey won't draw a line. They will just react arbitrarily and rely on the clout of the person they messed with to be the appeals process.
- djsumdog 6y agoThey should be required by law to allow him to download a full archive of all the videos he posted if he doesn't have a local backup, so long as they're not clearly illegal (e.g. child abuse).
- root_axis 6y agoWhy should that be required by law?
- sterlind 6y agoFor the same reason a storage company shouldn't be able to burn all the stuff in your unit if they evict you.
- tshaddox 6y agoBut aren’t they? Maybe not literally burn, but aren’t there multiple reality TV shows about repossessed storage units?
- wccrawford 6y agoThat's for the money that's owed them from not paying the rent. YouTube doesn't charge rent or other fees, and I'm not sure how they'd auction your digital copyrighted IP anyhow.
- hundchenkatze 6y agoYeah, but most places will put your storage unit into "default" for some time, usually 30 days, and make multiple attempts to contact you before auctioning your stuff. Generally speaking, in the U.S. most states have lien laws that dictate how and for how long a company must attempt to contact you before they can auction. Youtube could do something similar, by providing you 30 days to download your content.
- sterlind 6y agoexactly! I see no excuse for YouTube not to allow this, as long as videos haven't been flagged for e.g. sexual abuse (where YouTube itself would be liable for continuing to store it.) I think the only reason they don't do it is because they don't have to and they don't care. instituting a 30-day retention period to exporting content would be really good for users. shame we can't pass tech laws in the US.
- rgblambda 6y agoThose are mostly staged. In reality all they find is spiders and bits of cardboard boxes.
- kube-system 6y agoA storage company can't burn my stuff because: 1. That's arson, a crime. 2. I have a contract with them (including consideration) to store my stuff.
- dspillett 6y agoThey are required, depending on jurisdiction, to provide the information that they have about you that they have derived from other sources, and if the data you have provided is small enough it makes sense to give a download if everything rather than making an effort to separate it out. But for a video site the provided content is going to dwarf the other data/metadata stored about a person/account/channel so it does make sense to separate them, and I don't see why they should be required to give over resources so you can download data that in theory you should already have. They are a content hosting service, not a content backup service. > so long as they're not clearly illegal That makes things even more complicated. How do they decide, given some things are grey areas almost everywhere and some things are very much illegal in some places but not others?
- TheRealPomax 6y agoI dunno, https://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/2018/01/burp-suite-pro-v1730-cracked-version.html https://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/2018/01/burp-suite-pro-v1... looks pretty illegal to me? No need to immediately take the crime up to 11, using the youtube platform to help people commit software piracy will do.
- seanmcelroy 6y agoIt's a mistaken position to believe sharing "how to" information somehow mints cybercriminals; however, this is the position YouTube has repeatedly and is increasingly taking with striking innocent content creators sharing information about how security vulnerabilities work and how to test for them. This type of content is widely available on mainstream online blog sites, in published books, and through established, expensive training outfits like the SANS Institute. YouTube has really missed the mark thinking there are real risks they are mitigating by culling it out from their platform. This is an editorial decision by YouTube on what they want to groom YouTube's community to be, not a content decision based on sound public policy or realistic threat models.
- jjbinx007 6y agoIt would be nice if Youtube had a clear policy written in clear English (or indeed made a series of videos on the subject) explaining what's not allowed on the platform. Some channels post videos which stay up for years without any strikes or problems and then out of the blue the whole channel gets taken down under a vague "you violated our T&Cs" notice without Youtube bothering to highlight which of the T&Cs. They sometimes take down huge channels without first contacting the channel owners to warn them in advance and give them the opportunity to do something about it. Rather than take down the channel why can't Youtube just remove the videos? It's not a civilised way to conduct business.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago> It's not a civilised way to conduct business. It's true, and the way they try to hide this fact is by pretending that the censorship and policy switch-up is done in the name of "anti-racism." YouTube & co could not have been more lucky that an entire segment of the culture came up with the perfect catch-all term to enable them to walk back their horrible business blunders.
- hmry 6y agoThey're taking down hacking videos in the name of anti-racism? I don't know about that...
- djsumdog 6y agoLooks like he started a channel on a Peertube server, but it has nothing on it yet. I hope he has a backup of all his videos. ALWAYS HAVE A LOCAL BACKUP of all the content you upload to other services. Facebook is not your photo backup. All your stuff could disappear off Google tomorrow. The cloud is literally someone else's computer. The biggest takeaway for all YouToobers is to organize all their videos in a manor that they can upload them to a new place when (not if) the time comes. YouTube is going to become a dinosaur in a few years. I don't see people finding meaningful content on it with the shit they keep pulling.
- ve55 6y agoI would go even further: Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you, whether you made it or not, unless you know there are many other accessible versions of it for redundancy. You never know when a large company will delete it without notice. (Is this feasible? Perhaps not, but given how cheap storage is, if this could be even semi-automated, it would easily save a lot of heartache for some at many points in their life, especially in the worst cases of things like their Google accounts being banned)
- phendrenad2 6y agoThis 1000%. I can't tell you how many times I click a link, find it's broken, plug it into Wayback Machine, only to find it was never indexed, or the images weren't archived, or only the homepage was indexed, etc.
- Ruthalas 6y agoIf you archive youtube content, consider stopping by my discord server. https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf I maintain a list of content that various members have archived, such that if anything is removed, people can direct inquiries to people who have archived that content. It's a small way to keep track of what things have been successfully archived, and direct efforts toward at-risk channels. (You can see the current list of user-archived content here: https://tinyurl.com/v4rpe9w https://tinyurl.com/v4rpe9w)
- beprogrammed 6y agoLbry
- trident1000 6y agoWhy is YouTube not broken up again? Clearest antitrust case I've seen in tech. 2 billion users with something like 99% video streaming dominance.
- 1cvmask 6y agoWill they remove Moxie videos then because he makes cybersecurity videos funny and points out the inherent failures in SSL? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UawS3_iuHoA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UawS3_iuHoA
- ehutch79 6y agoOnly if he also makes funny videos on how to pirate software? As noted above, that's a good chunk of videos on the channel that got removed
- vuln 6y agoVimeo is cyber security friendly FYI.
- scrps 6y agoYet you can browse youtube and learn how to build an AR-15 lower reciever, learn tactical shooting, and knife fighting*... But for the love of all things lawful don't explain a buffer overflow or a side-channel attack. I am not suggesting those videos/channels be banned either just pointing the uneven absurdity of YT's policies.
- syshum 6y agoThey have removed ALOT of gun channels as well. Most of the bigger Gun channels now just talk about news / reviews not really educational for that it is moved to BitChute or other YT Alternatives
- kace91 6y agoI had never heard of bitchute. Going in, the first recommended video is: "A Jew asks why do people deny The Holocaust?...and admits the 6 Million figure is fake" from the account "Holocaust Lies Explained". Soo... yeah. Par for the course for "uncensored alternative" sites I guess?
- syshum 6y agoYes uncensored sites will have distasteful, terrible, and repugnant content. That is a GOOD thing, and a FEATURE not a deterrent. You do not defeat bad ideas, and repugnant ideologies with suppression of speech. Sorry it does not work that way no matter how much the Authoritarian Left and the Authoritarian Right would love it to
- gamacodre 6y agoYou don't defeat bad ideas by promoting them either; you defeat them with shame, i.e. consequences for being willfully ignorant or acting like a jackass. But the internet rarely delivers meaningful feedback to the folks that craft this type of "distasteful, terrible, and repugnant content." Now, you might be the sort of person that would choose to live with a group of sadistic trolls for the edification that might result. I suspect most humans would react badly to that type of environment; our psychology is not well adapted to a constant barrage of persuasive deception and emotional manipulation. Personally, I hope this latest crop of trashtube sites is driven offline and into bankruptcy; the sooner, the better.
- d33lio 6y agoYouTube is now a hostile space for creators of any political or social creed that create "edge" worthy content. Plain and simple. If you're a trans or LGBTQ creator your content is not safe. If you produce "hacking" or firearms videos your content is not safe. Maybe some day the millennial generation will end the boomer era mantra of passing legislation federally or adopting policies that censoring content for the children TM.
- thatguy0900 6y agoThe millennials will certainly not be the generation to end emotional censorship
- d33lio 6y agoI agree, it's curious how in recent times a foundational aspect of modern democrats is a belief that not being aware or able to see something really solves an issue or corrects a perceived ethical wrong. For instance, don't like what your opponents have to say? Just make it so their supporters have to go to their own platform. The insidious angle of this is how this kind of thinking starts to bleed into payments processing / CC companies.
- Solvitieg 6y agoBut I think it's largely millennials who are pushing for more content moderation on the web. That's been my impression reading forums such as HN and Reddit.
- slumdev 6y ago> If you're a trans or LGBTQ creator your content is not safe. There was a time when a man's bedroom activity didn't enter into his professional life. I know the idea is difficult for millennials.
- reaperducer 6y agoEvery other generation: "A person who happens to be gay." Millennials: "A gay person." For some reason, a lot of younger people are hung up on defining themselves by their sexuality, rather than defining themselves by the kind of person they are or the things they have done.
- busrf 6y agoThis is the blog associated with the channel: http://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/ http://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/ And this is the Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/technux0/ https://www.facebook.com/technux0/ On both of those pages, you can see the titles of the videos that were posted. On the Facebook page, you can still see the video thumbnails. I wonder if YouTube removed his channel for the cybersecurity videos, or if they removed his channel for posting walkthrough videos on how to pirate Burp Suite Pro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- natex 6y ago> I wonder if YouTube removed his channel for the cybersecurity videos, or if they removed his channel for posting walkthrough videos on how to pirate Burp Suite Pro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know, but I'm going to automatically berate YouToob's motives/competence, compare some other topics that I feel are less censored than cybersecurity (which is confusing since I haven't bothered to read YouTube's content policy), and preach about the importance of local backups!
- kllrnohj 6y agoIt also has how-to for pirating "Facebook Social Toolkit – Premium Version" along with things like "how to hack anyone's whatsapp" This looks like piracy & script-kiddie guides channel, not a "cybersecurity channel" or anything educational-related. But the pitch forks are already out, so whatever.
- bitexploder 6y agoYeah, you can achieve the same educational aims with one of the thousands of crackmes out there. It’s pretty sketchy to demo cracking for pay software in a public place like this. Maybe that was old content and they forgot about it, but still, it does shed some light on it. Cybersecurity content in general, and especially that focused on tools and techniques, should be presented with at least some moral and ethical concern.
- _wldu 6y agoLooking at the titles of some of the videos, it seemed to be more about how to pirate commercial software than security. I think YouTube probably did the right thing. https://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/2018/01/burp-suite-pro-v1730-cracked-version.html https://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/2018/01/burp-suite-pro-v1...
- R0b0t1 6y agoYouTube is free to do what they want but sensible actions should be informed by the law. Currently, you can't be charged with anything for describing how to do something. It goes even further: you can sell a kit with instructions on how to make something illegal and this is perfectly fine.
- _wldu 6y agoThe channel seemed to be offering links to download pirated software too. If this was occurring, YouTube did the right thing. "Burp Suite v1.7.30 Pro Cracked Version Download Details:- Version:- 1.7.30 Pro License Expires:- Dec 2 , 2018 Size:- 26 MB Download links:- https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com..."
- electro_blah 6y ago"links to download pirated software" hehe you should look at google
- R0b0t1 6y agoThat is definitely different, yes.
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- tootie 6y agoPiracy is illegal.
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- app4soft 6y ago> YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel As for me it was expected. The only question here: why Cybersecurity channel was on YouTube? As YouTube itself is a "vulnerability platform". I guess, PeerTube is the right place for cybersecurity channels.
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- swiley 6y agoIf you're looking for a quick way to kill your youtube addiction privacy redirect sends youtube to invidious which has a much less addictive recommendation algorithm.
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- richardARPANET 6y agoThis sort of censorship & lack of transparency is exactly why I'm currently working on an alternative.
- TheRealPomax 6y agoYou did look up what else the channel did, right? Because I would hope that a channel where someone tells people what pirated software to download where gets banned on your alternative, too. Unless you think https://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/2018/01/burp-suite-pro-v1730-cracked-version.html https://codeofhacking.blogspot.com/2018/01/burp-suite-pro-v1... is somehow fine.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoIs there a service that manages your video uploads on every platform simultaneously?