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"Forced" is the word the article uses. We don't know if that's accurate or hyperbolic. I think issues like these are worth scrutiny and intense investigation,

"Forced" is the word the article uses. We don't know if that's accurate or hyperbolic. I think issues like these are worth scrutiny and intense investigation, but I'm not going to pull my pitch fork out just yet. It's so easy to sit in my desk chair, read an article like this and have an armchair outrage moment.

alisonkisk 6y ago
pulling out your wallet without thinking is as bad as pulling out a pitchfork. Perhaps worse, since you are holding the global poor to a higher burden of proof than the billionaire elites.
- bstar77 6y ago
  That's fine, but tell me where I can buy an ethically sourced phone? I develop for iOS, Android and Desktop systems. Each of these devices have thousands of components from different vendors that I have to support. The parent article is talking about some glass.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ probably, https://www.pine64.org/ https://www.pine64.org/ maybe. Knowing something exists is the biggest step towards finding it.
    - bstar77 6y ago
      These phones can't do much to address a glass supplier that is mean to their workers. These are just more environmentally sustainable phones. I'm all in on putting pressure on Apple and others to clean up their supply chain, but it can't just be Apple that's held to this standard. Right now it is.
      - wizzwizz4 6y ago
        Fairphone actually does; their (screen) glass for the Fairphone 2 was from Korning. See https://open.sourcemap.com/maps/57bd640851c05c0a5b5a8be1 https://open.sourcemap.com/maps/57bd640851c05c0a5b5a8be1. Why did you say they “can't”?
        bstar77 6y ago
        My point is that there are too many components to have complete control over the whole supply chain, so these types of issues will come up and hopefully responded to accordingly. I really appreciate that these sustainable devices exist, and I think they are a huge step forward. Getting back to the initial comment I made... I think it's important to keep a company like Apple/Google/Samsung honest regarding their attention to their supplier's ethics. A company like Apple is going to be pretty responsive to concerns of worker mistreatment, if presented in an honest way. If we are too quick to incriminate Apple whenever a story like this comes up, it comes off more like we have an agenda against them, especially if we are not vetting the story before expressing outrage.

alisonkisk 6y ago

pulling out your wallet without thinking is as bad as pulling out a pitchfork. Perhaps worse, since you are holding the global poor to a higher burden of proof than the billionaire elites.

bstar77 6y ago
That's fine, but tell me where I can buy an ethically sourced phone? I develop for iOS, Android and Desktop systems. Each of these devices have thousands of components from different vendors that I have to support. The parent article is talking about some glass.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ probably, https://www.pine64.org/ https://www.pine64.org/ maybe. Knowing something exists is the biggest step towards finding it.
  - bstar77 6y ago
    These phones can't do much to address a glass supplier that is mean to their workers. These are just more environmentally sustainable phones. I'm all in on putting pressure on Apple and others to clean up their supply chain, but it can't just be Apple that's held to this standard. Right now it is.
    - wizzwizz4 6y ago
      Fairphone actually does; their (screen) glass for the Fairphone 2 was from Korning. See https://open.sourcemap.com/maps/57bd640851c05c0a5b5a8be1 https://open.sourcemap.com/maps/57bd640851c05c0a5b5a8be1. Why did you say they “can't”?
      - bstar77 6y ago
        My point is that there are too many components to have complete control over the whole supply chain, so these types of issues will come up and hopefully responded to accordingly. I really appreciate that these sustainable devices exist, and I think they are a huge step forward. Getting back to the initial comment I made... I think it's important to keep a company like Apple/Google/Samsung honest regarding their attention to their supplier's ethics. A company like Apple is going to be pretty responsive to concerns of worker mistreatment, if presented in an honest way. If we are too quick to incriminate Apple whenever a story like this comes up, it comes off more like we have an agenda against them, especially if we are not vetting the story before expressing outrage.