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They have a zero tolerance in their particular factories, but is China just shuffling workers around to make sure they don't send the slaves to Apple factories?

They have a zero tolerance in their particular factories, but is China just shuffling workers around to make sure they don't send the slaves to Apple factories? Apple is still making products in Hitler's Germany because the prices are too good to say no. Just because they aren't using the concentration camp labor doesn't mean they aren't complicit in the crimes. They're in the same boat as Fanta from my perspective. Doing business with murderers because money is more important than human lives.

esarbe 6y ago
Yes. I don't get the downvotes here. Has anyone missed news about the concentration camps build for Uigurs[0]? [0] https://freebeacon.com/national-security/satellite-images-reveal-expansion-of-uighur-camps/ https://freebeacon.com/national-security/satellite-images-re...
- dr-detroit 6y ago
  the average hackernews reader has 8 to 10 apple devices in their household
__m 6y ago
Don’t trivialize nazi concentration camps by comparing them to some re-education camps. I highly doubt the number of deaths that occurred in these camps is anywhere close to the deaths that Apple‘s home country caused in its own war on terror, including torture and war crimes. With police brutality and the highest incarceration rate in the world, how can a company that values human lives do business in the US?
- skinkestek 6y ago
  We shouldn't trivialize nazi atrocities. However we also shouldn't trivialize Chinese atrocities: A number of the things that happens there will hopefully get into the history wall of shame as soon as we dare challenge it. We are however in a rough place right now IMO: - US is weak and has little (but still significant) moral edge. - US has a military edge but a full scale conflict will >70% become really messy (think nuclear) - China has a number of other countries (and influential persons) around the world by the b*lls. - China has an advantage on manufacturing and logistics Anyone who wants to fix this - either needs a brilliant idea and probably lots of luck - or some serious skills in politics (to get local support for taking correct actions with the necessary firmness)
- jp_sc 6y ago
  "Re-education camps" aren't they? They can call them "happy unicorn camps" and they will be still concentration camps. They use them as slave labor and human organ farms. How on Earth, can you even try to gaslight us saying China concentration camps are "nicer" than the Nazis?
- kortilla 6y ago
  Wow the desperation it takes to try to misdirect the conversation camps to the “war on terror”. Right out of a whataboutism propaganda playbook. A citizen of any regime, from the best to the most brutal, can criticize China and it does not detract from the argument at all. It’s not hypocritical because citizens are not the government; and, even if it was directly from the government and was hypocritical, the substance of the argument does not change. Calling someone a hypocrite is just an ad hominem.
  - __m 6y ago
    Misdirect? The camps are China‘s war on terror, a comparison is appropriate.

esarbe 6y ago

Yes. I don't get the downvotes here. Has anyone missed news about the concentration camps build for Uigurs[0]? [0] https://freebeacon.com/national-security/satellite-images-reveal-expansion-of-uighur-camps/ https://freebeacon.com/national-security/satellite-images-re...

dr-detroit 6y ago
the average hackernews reader has 8 to 10 apple devices in their household

__m 6y ago

Don’t trivialize nazi concentration camps by comparing them to some re-education camps. I highly doubt the number of deaths that occurred in these camps is anywhere close to the deaths that Apple‘s home country caused in its own war on terror, including torture and war crimes. With police brutality and the highest incarceration rate in the world, how can a company that values human lives do business in the US?

skinkestek 6y ago
We shouldn't trivialize nazi atrocities. However we also shouldn't trivialize Chinese atrocities: A number of the things that happens there will hopefully get into the history wall of shame as soon as we dare challenge it. We are however in a rough place right now IMO: - US is weak and has little (but still significant) moral edge. - US has a military edge but a full scale conflict will >70% become really messy (think nuclear) - China has a number of other countries (and influential persons) around the world by the b*lls. - China has an advantage on manufacturing and logistics Anyone who wants to fix this - either needs a brilliant idea and probably lots of luck - or some serious skills in politics (to get local support for taking correct actions with the necessary firmness)
jp_sc 6y ago
"Re-education camps" aren't they? They can call them "happy unicorn camps" and they will be still concentration camps. They use them as slave labor and human organ farms. How on Earth, can you even try to gaslight us saying China concentration camps are "nicer" than the Nazis?
kortilla 6y ago
Wow the desperation it takes to try to misdirect the conversation camps to the “war on terror”. Right out of a whataboutism propaganda playbook. A citizen of any regime, from the best to the most brutal, can criticize China and it does not detract from the argument at all. It’s not hypocritical because citizens are not the government; and, even if it was directly from the government and was hypocritical, the substance of the argument does not change. Calling someone a hypocrite is just an ad hominem.
- __m 6y ago
  Misdirect? The camps are China‘s war on terror, a comparison is appropriate.