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The BOA leak, and several others, got burned by that Daniel Dumbshit guy over some petty personal disputes on how Wikileaks was run. That's what the Benedict Cu

by px43 6y ago

The BOA leak, and several others, got burned by that Daniel Dumbshit guy over some petty personal disputes on how Wikileaks was run. That's what the Benedict Cumberbatch movie was all about, told from the perspective of the shithead who wiped all that data. Wikileaks had an image of a Bank of America VP laptop with email discussion about the creation and exploitation of predatory loans, and a complete indifference to the eventual 2008 crash that they knew it would cause. As to the DNC stuff, yeah Assange was probabally used by the Russian intelligence, but it was probabally an easy sell. Hillary really did (maybe jokingly?) call for Assange to be assassinated when she was secretary of state. He had every reason in the world to cut off her ascent to power. If you want a really good look at Assange's humanity around the time of all the DNC craziness, Laura Portrias was living with him at the time and filming him all day every day, and turned it into a movie called "Risk". https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4964772/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4964772/ Very similar vibe to Citizen Four, but with Assange instead of Snowden. Also for some reason it didn't get much attention because all sides hating on Assange became super trendy around that time. For what it's worth, my political alignment is probabally far more liberal than the majority of people on this site, and I've been a Wikileaks supporter since they were just leaking internal fraternity documents.

Fnoord 6y ago
To sum this post up with the reference only. Recommended documentary by Laura Poitras about Assange, called Risk [1]. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4964772/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4964772/
nullc 6y ago
> As to the DNC stuff, yeah Assange was probabally used by the Russian intelligence, but it was probabally an easy sell. Hillary really did (maybe jokingly?) call for Assange to be assassinated when she was secretary of state. He had every reason in the world to cut off her ascent to power. Hillary's joke (if that is what it was) was an assault. She had the means to actually carry out the murder she suggested. Such actions, even in jest, have been known to cause people to get killed when some subordinate takes it as an order. I think it takes a tremendous lack of empathy to not allow Assange a grudge against someone who quipped about murdering him and potentially the people around him, particularly someone with the awesome power of the united states behind them. Journalists often have their axes to grind and their blind spots. It isn't great but it's just something we have to factor in... and I think this is one that a lot more justifiable than most. And while he may have been used by Russia in the DNC leak, the leak revealed substantial unethical conduct that people were rightfully fired over. It brought transparency to the world that we deserved. If its publication depended on some bias on Assange's part, I think it wouldn't require much bias perhaps only would have been with respect to the timing of it.
shadowgovt 6y ago
> Wikileaks had an image of a Bank of America VP laptop with email discussion about the creation and exploitation of predatory loans, and a complete indifference to the eventual 2008 crash that they knew it would cause. How do we know this is true if the data was burned?
- px43 6y ago
  > How do we know this is true if the data was burned? Sadly we don't, and likely never will. Assange mentioned the laptop data and hinted at what it might contain in an interview. We do definitely know that a large cache of data got held hostage and eventually burned when fuckhead left. Like I mentioned before, there was a whole Benedict Cumberbartch movie made about the fallout there: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1837703/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1837703/
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    I wouldn't take either the word of one of the parties with obvious bias or a dramatization of events that was primarily sourced to the person with obvious bias at face value on a topic this controversial. Proof or it didn't happen.
  - Fnoord 6y ago
    Using the term 'Dumbshit' or 'fuckhead' doesn't give your argument credibility.
    - px43 6y ago
      I'm not arguing anything, I'm recounting historical events. I don't need to beg for credibility, everything I'm saying is thoroughly documented on Wikipedia and various other sources. Daniel portrays himself as a hero in the book he wrote and in the movie he helped make, but he has been ostracized from the hacker community due to the atrocity of his actions. Read his book, watch his movie. It's fascinating to see his perspective on how it all went down, but a lot of very bad people got away with some very bad things because of his actions, so forgive me for allowing a bit of contempt to seep through.

by px43 6y ago

Fnoord 6y ago

To sum this post up with the reference only. Recommended documentary by Laura Poitras about Assange, called Risk [1]. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4964772/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4964772/

nullc 6y ago

> As to the DNC stuff, yeah Assange was probabally used by the Russian intelligence, but it was probabally an easy sell. Hillary really did (maybe jokingly?) call for Assange to be assassinated when she was secretary of state. He had every reason in the world to cut off her ascent to power. Hillary's joke (if that is what it was) was an assault. She had the means to actually carry out the murder she suggested. Such actions, even in jest, have been known to cause people to get killed when some subordinate takes it as an order. I think it takes a tremendous lack of empathy to not allow Assange a grudge against someone who quipped about murdering him and potentially the people around him, particularly someone with the awesome power of the united states behind them. Journalists often have their axes to grind and their blind spots. It isn't great but it's just something we have to factor in... and I think this is one that a lot more justifiable than most. And while he may have been used by Russia in the DNC leak, the leak revealed substantial unethical conduct that people were rightfully fired over. It brought transparency to the world that we deserved. If its publication depended on some bias on Assange's part, I think it wouldn't require much bias perhaps only would have been with respect to the timing of it.

shadowgovt 6y ago

> Wikileaks had an image of a Bank of America VP laptop with email discussion about the creation and exploitation of predatory loans, and a complete indifference to the eventual 2008 crash that they knew it would cause. How do we know this is true if the data was burned?

px43 6y ago
> How do we know this is true if the data was burned? Sadly we don't, and likely never will. Assange mentioned the laptop data and hinted at what it might contain in an interview. We do definitely know that a large cache of data got held hostage and eventually burned when fuckhead left. Like I mentioned before, there was a whole Benedict Cumberbartch movie made about the fallout there: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1837703/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1837703/
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  I wouldn't take either the word of one of the parties with obvious bias or a dramatization of events that was primarily sourced to the person with obvious bias at face value on a topic this controversial. Proof or it didn't happen.
- Fnoord 6y ago
  Using the term 'Dumbshit' or 'fuckhead' doesn't give your argument credibility.
  - px43 6y ago
    I'm not arguing anything, I'm recounting historical events. I don't need to beg for credibility, everything I'm saying is thoroughly documented on Wikipedia and various other sources. Daniel portrays himself as a hero in the book he wrote and in the movie he helped make, but he has been ostracized from the hacker community due to the atrocity of his actions. Read his book, watch his movie. It's fascinating to see his perspective on how it all went down, but a lot of very bad people got away with some very bad things because of his actions, so forgive me for allowing a bit of contempt to seep through.