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I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/M
by 882661830 6y ago
I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc
- Dirlewanger 6y agoI booked Southwest recently and it said Boeing 737-800 for me.
- 882661830 6y agoIs that after you’ve paid ? Trying the booking workflow on mobile now I don’t see it anywhere
- kube-system 6y agoOn desktop you can click the flight number and the pop up shows the scheduled aircraft model.
- Dirlewanger 6y agoNo, when I was checking out I think. I knew before I paid what the plane was.
- jasoncartwright 6y agoThis doesn't appear to be true? https://ibb.co/sWTWsnb https://ibb.co/sWTWsnb
- 882661830 6y agoMaybe depends on what data the airline provides or desktop vs mobile https://ibb.co/3pdMY7m https://ibb.co/3pdMY7m
- fireattack 6y agoDo you have a "before" screenshot to show it used to show this information with mobile? I didn't remember seeing it on mobile before, but again I don't really use it frequently.
- dotancohen 6y agoThis is deceptive, intentionally. No matter if the vehicle is safe to fly or not, some people may not feel comfortable flying on one. The only justification of overturning 80+ years of airliner industry precedent in eliminating the specific vehicle type from the descriptions is to deceive.
- edoceo 6y agoOr maybe it's just some designer fiddling with screen real-estate and negative space.
- nipponese 6y agoOr maybe it was some engineer making the point that the data wasn’t accurate or reliable in the first place.
- edoceo 6y agoWhat if both were true? And designers and engineers worked together to clean the UI from possibly wrong and noisy information in the results brief? Teamwork makes the dream-work.
- heavenlyblue 6y agoThe data was wrong all along but the management didn’t want to remove it until they finally realised that it’s creating a negative revenue pressure.
- tyingq 6y agoI don't think anything changed. Is there some compelling evidence that it did? Here's the a/c type on southwest.com desktop, right now: https://imgur.com/a/B6PxsbB https://imgur.com/a/B6PxsbB I don't see it on mobile, but I don't think it's ever been there.
- powvans 6y agoYou can avoid the airlines that fly the Max altogether. Unfortunately it looks like Delta is the only major US airline that does not own any. Spirit and JetBlue also do not have any. United, American, and Southwest all operate the Max. I would avoid those airlines for routes that could be serviced by the Max.
- exhilaration 6y agoIs there a listing or database somewhere where I could look up other airlines? There's a few more regional and discount airlines I'm curious about.
- tyingq 6y agoWikipedia has a list of MAX orders and deliveries by airline. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_order...
- rawgabbit 6y agoHow to ID a MAX. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-identify-boeing-737-max-louis-duc-nguyen https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-identify-boeing-737-max-l...
- tyingq 6y agoOdd that it doesn't mention the sawtooth pattern on the rear of the engine cowling, or the flat bottom shape of the engine as you look into the intake, versus the normal round shape for non-max/leap engines. Either of those is easy to spot from far away.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoI don't think that's right. Didn't several generations of 737 before MAX have that flattened engine bottom? I think I've been seeing it for considerably longer than MAX has been around.
- tyingq 6y agoI don't think Southwest removed anything. From what I recall, it's always been on the flight status pages for both mobile and desktop. For the flight shopping pages, it's always been on desktop, but never on mobile.
- slumdev 6y agoYou can look up the plane by its tail number. But you're still at the mercy of the airline. If they do an equipment swap, you're not entitled to change or cancel. You'd only have the option not to fly, forfeiting the cost of your ticket. As someone else in this thread said, just fly Delta (domestically).
- tyingq 6y agoSouthwest doesn't have change fees, so long as you cancel at least 10 minutes before the scheduled flight time. Assuming they had all their aircraft flying, the MAX aircraft are about 5 percent of the fleet.
- slumdev 6y agoSouthwest's service is pretty thin in some places. Highly likely you won't get a flight the same day if you cancel to avoid the 737-HCF. Then, you have to explain to Great Aunt Greta why you won't be at Thanksgiving. Better just to avoid Southwest.
- jerbs 6y agoYour second line is simply not true. Both American [1] and United [2] have committed to waiving change fees if you don't want to fly on a 737 MAX. Southwest is farther away from bringing the MAX back into service, so they have less detail on their site [3], but it sounds like they'll do something similar. [1] https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/737-MAX-return-to-service.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/737-MAX-return-to-servic... [2] https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraft/737-MAX.html https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... (under "What if I don't want to fly on a MAX?") [3] https://www.southwest.com/737-max/#return-to-service-plan https://www.southwest.com/737-max/#return-to-service-plan (under "What are Customers' options if they don't want to fly on a 737 MAX?")
- slumdev 6y agoA change fee waiver is a very, very small gesture. But you're right, at least it's something.