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Given the state of recreational marijuana legalization in the US and Canada, and current developments in Mexico... ...I congratulate drugs for winning the war

Given the state of recreational marijuana legalization in the US and Canada, and current developments in Mexico... ...I congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs. At least we have that to look forward to.

yters 6y ago
Move to Afghanistan. It is a libertarian's paradise.
- dandare 6y ago
  Your comment sounds like a big argumentation fallacy but on a closer look it is too vague to reason about. Maybe if you stated your position more specifically it would be possible to answer.
  - yters 6y ago
    Many of the libertarian policy pushes are completely legal in afghanistan. Drug use is unregulated and there is plenty of underage sex. There is almost non existent big government interference in life, and many live the libertarian nomadic life.
    - sgift 6y ago
      Allowing cannabis is not a position unique to libertarians. The mixing with the other topics you wrote is tasteless and unwarranted.
      - yters 6y ago
        Well, there is just about zero government regulation of personal morality.
- devilduck 6y ago
  You straight up don't have any idea what you're talking about
- trianglem 6y ago
  Almost, the government is not guaranteeing your safety. Is there an Afghanistan like place that is actually safe?
  - yters 6y ago
    Is government guaranteeing safety a necessary tenet of libertarianism? I thought security would be privatized on the open market.
    - trianglem 6y ago
      I think that’s the only requirement. It guarantees everyone’s private property and that’s it.
      - yters 6y ago
        But as long as you have government you need funds, which means tax, which means threat of force.
        trianglem 6y ago
        Yeah I think they’re okay with a tax for military/police purposes. Either ways I don’t identify with that mindset because it would lead to a whole hog ripping out of civil liberties which probably means things like slavery (albeit not race specific) and back to the kitchen for women.
        yters 6y ago
        Maybe the libertarian I talk to is not representative, but he thinks even military and police are not valid government functions, since they necessitate taxes, which necessitate levying monies from people with an underlying threat of force.
dfxm12 6y ago
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, or maybe your point went over my head, but the war on drugs is not close to over, and drugs certainly aren't winning (even if marijuana becomes legal for recreational use in North America). The state of legalizing marijuana for recreational use in the US is moving at a glacial pace, especially considering how popular it is among the electorate in general and how few politicians in such tight races this past November were willing to take a stance for it. There are even fewer politicians willing to take a stance for commuting the sentence of anyone in prison for non-violent drug charges. Hopefully, the president elect will follow through on some vague campaign promises made related to this, but I can't give credit until it actually happens. On top of that, there are also other drugs involved in the war on drugs and facets of the war on drugs that are not moving at all (i.e. sentencing differences even after the "fair sentencing act" was passed, treating those caught up in the opioid pandemic as criminals rather than people with a disease, etc.).
- netizen-9748 6y ago
  I do not think addiction cam be classified as a disease state. Rather, addiction is a set of maladaptive learned behaviors which may be found in conjunction with other neuronal dysfunction and viewing it as such should aid in effective treatment.
- romwell 6y ago
  I'm not being sarcastic. The war is certainly not close to over, but I'm calling the result already. It's like WW2 in 1943: far from over, but clear enough to see where it's going. The state of legalizing isn't glacial if you compare it to what was going on in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and even 2000s. Even if it's slow now, look at the rate: the population that can legally use weed is increasing exponentially. The sate of expunging records is far from being dire as well, especially if you look at the dynamics since 2000[1]. The coming administration - which, by American standards is moderate (and by European, conservative) - has campaigned on decriminalization and expungement. Whether they deliver remains to be seen, but the odds are getting better and better. And yes, fair sentencing act is merely the start of moving in the right direction. But with Oregon decriminalizing other drugs, we know which direction it's going to be. It's only a matter of time until other states follow suit. [1]https://www.marijuanamoment.net/marijuana-record-expungement-movement-growing-rapidly-report-shows/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/marijuana-record-expungement... [2]https://www.marijuanamoment.net/what-joe-bidens-presidential-victory-means-for-marijuana-in-2021/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/what-joe-bidens-presidential... [3]https://theconversation.com/oregon-just-decriminalized-all-drugs-heres-why-voters-passed-this-groundbreaking-reform-150806 https://theconversation.com/oregon-just-decriminalized-all-d...
aegis4244 6y ago
You can buy drugs in every high school and prison in the usa. You can buy drugs on death row. Drugs won a long time ago.

yters 6y ago

Move to Afghanistan. It is a libertarian's paradise.

dandare 6y ago
Your comment sounds like a big argumentation fallacy but on a closer look it is too vague to reason about. Maybe if you stated your position more specifically it would be possible to answer.
- yters 6y ago
  Many of the libertarian policy pushes are completely legal in afghanistan. Drug use is unregulated and there is plenty of underage sex. There is almost non existent big government interference in life, and many live the libertarian nomadic life.
  - sgift 6y ago
    Allowing cannabis is not a position unique to libertarians. The mixing with the other topics you wrote is tasteless and unwarranted.
    - yters 6y ago
      Well, there is just about zero government regulation of personal morality.
devilduck 6y ago
You straight up don't have any idea what you're talking about
trianglem 6y ago
Almost, the government is not guaranteeing your safety. Is there an Afghanistan like place that is actually safe?
- yters 6y ago
  Is government guaranteeing safety a necessary tenet of libertarianism? I thought security would be privatized on the open market.
  - trianglem 6y ago
    I think that’s the only requirement. It guarantees everyone’s private property and that’s it.
    - yters 6y ago
      But as long as you have government you need funds, which means tax, which means threat of force.
      - trianglem 6y ago
        Yeah I think they’re okay with a tax for military/police purposes. Either ways I don’t identify with that mindset because it would lead to a whole hog ripping out of civil liberties which probably means things like slavery (albeit not race specific) and back to the kitchen for women.
        yters 6y ago
        Maybe the libertarian I talk to is not representative, but he thinks even military and police are not valid government functions, since they necessitate taxes, which necessitate levying monies from people with an underlying threat of force.

dfxm12 6y ago

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, or maybe your point went over my head, but the war on drugs is not close to over, and drugs certainly aren't winning (even if marijuana becomes legal for recreational use in North America). The state of legalizing marijuana for recreational use in the US is moving at a glacial pace, especially considering how popular it is among the electorate in general and how few politicians in such tight races this past November were willing to take a stance for it. There are even fewer politicians willing to take a stance for commuting the sentence of anyone in prison for non-violent drug charges. Hopefully, the president elect will follow through on some vague campaign promises made related to this, but I can't give credit until it actually happens. On top of that, there are also other drugs involved in the war on drugs and facets of the war on drugs that are not moving at all (i.e. sentencing differences even after the "fair sentencing act" was passed, treating those caught up in the opioid pandemic as criminals rather than people with a disease, etc.).

netizen-9748 6y ago
I do not think addiction cam be classified as a disease state. Rather, addiction is a set of maladaptive learned behaviors which may be found in conjunction with other neuronal dysfunction and viewing it as such should aid in effective treatment.
romwell 6y ago
I'm not being sarcastic. The war is certainly not close to over, but I'm calling the result already. It's like WW2 in 1943: far from over, but clear enough to see where it's going. The state of legalizing isn't glacial if you compare it to what was going on in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and even 2000s. Even if it's slow now, look at the rate: the population that can legally use weed is increasing exponentially. The sate of expunging records is far from being dire as well, especially if you look at the dynamics since 2000[1]. The coming administration - which, by American standards is moderate (and by European, conservative) - has campaigned on decriminalization and expungement. Whether they deliver remains to be seen, but the odds are getting better and better. And yes, fair sentencing act is merely the start of moving in the right direction. But with Oregon decriminalizing other drugs, we know which direction it's going to be. It's only a matter of time until other states follow suit. [1]https://www.marijuanamoment.net/marijuana-record-expungement-movement-growing-rapidly-report-shows/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/marijuana-record-expungement... [2]https://www.marijuanamoment.net/what-joe-bidens-presidential-victory-means-for-marijuana-in-2021/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/what-joe-bidens-presidential... [3]https://theconversation.com/oregon-just-decriminalized-all-drugs-heres-why-voters-passed-this-groundbreaking-reform-150806 https://theconversation.com/oregon-just-decriminalized-all-d...

aegis4244 6y ago

You can buy drugs in every high school and prison in the usa. You can buy drugs on death row. Drugs won a long time ago.