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As much as I hope people will get vaccinated, this is a scary step bringing us closer to a dystopic society. Setting up these systems for enforcing injections c

by adflux 6y ago

As much as I hope people will get vaccinated, this is a scary step bringing us closer to a dystopic society. Setting up these systems for enforcing injections could well be abused in the future. And you are only going to create more distrust among vaccine skeptics... Why enforce a vaccine for a disease that barely kills anyways? To me it feels like this crisis is being uses to push legislation which would otherwise never be passed.

kjakm 6y ago
>> Why enforce a vaccine for a disease that barely kills anyways? Because it overwhelms the health systems. Even if I take your premise that it “barely kills” (and 1.7m people would disagree) the UK health system has a huge backlog of routine operations to get through due to the number of people requiring treatment (even if they don’t die). When we have a virus this infectious, and we have a treatment available, why should we allow someone’s “freedom” to jeopardise the health and well-being of others? Should we allow the option of declining the vaccine but ban the person from using public health care if they catch the disease? Sounds dystopian but seems fair. Edit: I understand this is a topic people have strong opinions on but downvoting simply because you disagree is useless. Engage in debate. Respond.
- bzb6 6y ago
  The average age of people who died of COVID in Spain is 86. Eighty fucking six.
  - kjakm 6y ago
    Deaths are irrelevant to my point. It’s about hospitalisations.
  - pestatije 6y ago
    You could be one of those that lowers the average. I rather not, thanks.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > Because it overwhelms the health systems. The average victim of COVID is aged over 70 with multiple comorbities, i.e. precisely those people that the youth demographic isn’t enthusiastic about sacrificing their lifestyle for. If you simply triage that demographic out of treatment, then suddenly there is no especial burden on the health system at all.
  - kjakm 6y ago
    1. What do you mean by victim? Death? If so, my point was about hospitalisations which happens to a larger age range of people. 2. Many countries have tried “shielding” vulnerable people. It hasn’t worked and it’s also incredibly difficult on those people. 3. The less vulnerable demographic needs to make sacrifices, just like everyone else. Why should they get to continue with their “lifestyle” while the older demographic get locked in their homes? I say this as a young person.

by adflux 6y ago

kjakm 6y ago

>> Why enforce a vaccine for a disease that barely kills anyways? Because it overwhelms the health systems. Even if I take your premise that it “barely kills” (and 1.7m people would disagree) the UK health system has a huge backlog of routine operations to get through due to the number of people requiring treatment (even if they don’t die). When we have a virus this infectious, and we have a treatment available, why should we allow someone’s “freedom” to jeopardise the health and well-being of others? Should we allow the option of declining the vaccine but ban the person from using public health care if they catch the disease? Sounds dystopian but seems fair. Edit: I understand this is a topic people have strong opinions on but downvoting simply because you disagree is useless. Engage in debate. Respond.

bzb6 6y ago
The average age of people who died of COVID in Spain is 86. Eighty fucking six.
- kjakm 6y ago
  Deaths are irrelevant to my point. It’s about hospitalisations.
- pestatije 6y ago
  You could be one of those that lowers the average. I rather not, thanks.
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> Because it overwhelms the health systems. The average victim of COVID is aged over 70 with multiple comorbities, i.e. precisely those people that the youth demographic isn’t enthusiastic about sacrificing their lifestyle for. If you simply triage that demographic out of treatment, then suddenly there is no especial burden on the health system at all.
- kjakm 6y ago
  1. What do you mean by victim? Death? If so, my point was about hospitalisations which happens to a larger age range of people. 2. Many countries have tried “shielding” vulnerable people. It hasn’t worked and it’s also incredibly difficult on those people. 3. The less vulnerable demographic needs to make sacrifices, just like everyone else. Why should they get to continue with their “lifestyle” while the older demographic get locked in their homes? I say this as a young person.