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That all parents must attend parenting classes. We have drivings licenses to drive a car. Yet there’s no such skill requirements for parents on how to raise chi

by acd 6y ago

That all parents must attend parenting classes. We have drivings licenses to drive a car. Yet there’s no such skill requirements for parents on how to raise children. Cost of dealing with miss raised children is very high.

sonotmyname 6y ago
If you start mandatory parenting classes, you have to start mandating the ‘correct’ way to raise children. There are HUGE cultural, religious, financial, and educational barriers to implementing a one-size-fits-all parenting regime. Good luck with that!
- froh 6y ago
  Why not a menu of different approaches to chose from? I don't get the jump from parenting classes to "the correct approach".
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Could be N correct approaches, but I guarantee you that for any set of criteria you devise, some group will come out of the woodwork and shout that it's Wrong. And you need testable criteria set by some central authority to determine whether someone learned the information from training course correctly - otherwise the whole course will turn into one big waste of time as it scales to large amount of training facilities.
    - froh 6y ago
      Like schooling. And some do homeschool. And some of those shouldn't. Anyhow schooling is considered a Good Thing (tm) and nobody claims we should give up on it, because some shout that it's _wrong_.
kreeben 6y ago
But sometimes "miss raising" a kid is the right thing to do. This is especially true in a society that has gone awry. Shouldn't I as a parent and who knows my kids and their needs better than anyone be free to raise them as I see fit?
- onecommentman 6y ago
  It’s a hard question. You know your child better than anyone, but you don’t own your child nor their future. There are legal expectations for parental behavior at a Societal level, and perhaps informally at a Community level. Is that enough? Always thought a parental/guardian “report card” for those caring for school age children would be a good idea. We measure students and teachers, why not parents? Teachers rate parents on the educational support they provided their children and their teachers. Red/yellow/green, meaningful in child custody case and the like. Just an idea...
  - snow_mac 6y ago
    What about single parents? Or parents who work two or three jobs to keep food on the table? My wife is a teacher and regularly deals with parents who are to busy trying to keep food on the table to study with their kids. It's super easy to judge when you make a 6 figure salary and are highly educated. But most families aren't making that kind of coin.
- froh 6y ago
  If you don't have any 'baggage' then yes, you'll most probably raise your kid just fine. But then: what harm would it do if you'd anyhow participate in a training, that, in said happy case, would just reiterate and reinforce what you'd do anyhow? And has the society possibly gone awry exactly because some common sense in child bearing has been buried? Dunning Kruger tells us we might just not know what we don't know... So, if the curriculum can be freely chosen for the "parental drivers license" what is the problem? There is plenty of research on the outcomes of parental training, btw, one random example of a training that has proven useful: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=brisch+safe&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DPPftH-bAw40J https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=bris...
SyzygistSix 6y ago
I think we would do better by allowing parents more time with their kids by reducing working hours. By all means, access to better parenting media would be good. Maybe give parents some time to attend those classes or read/watch parenting media rather than insist they work 50+ hours a week or work two jobs.
snow_mac 6y ago
Sounds like someone is for a communism run state. No thanks. I'll raise my kid the best possible way but the government cannot and will not tell me how.
slothtrop 6y ago
It's not a problem of ignorance (limited to this particular area.. broader ignorance, yes). Anyone with a good moral compass will do a decent job of raising their kids and seeking out answers when they need to. The kind of person that would most benefit from changing their parenting style is also the kind that would actively reject it.

by acd 6y ago

sonotmyname 6y ago

If you start mandatory parenting classes, you have to start mandating the ‘correct’ way to raise children. There are HUGE cultural, religious, financial, and educational barriers to implementing a one-size-fits-all parenting regime. Good luck with that!

froh 6y ago
Why not a menu of different approaches to chose from? I don't get the jump from parenting classes to "the correct approach".
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Could be N correct approaches, but I guarantee you that for any set of criteria you devise, some group will come out of the woodwork and shout that it's Wrong. And you need testable criteria set by some central authority to determine whether someone learned the information from training course correctly - otherwise the whole course will turn into one big waste of time as it scales to large amount of training facilities.
  - froh 6y ago
    Like schooling. And some do homeschool. And some of those shouldn't. Anyhow schooling is considered a Good Thing (tm) and nobody claims we should give up on it, because some shout that it's _wrong_.

kreeben 6y ago

But sometimes "miss raising" a kid is the right thing to do. This is especially true in a society that has gone awry. Shouldn't I as a parent and who knows my kids and their needs better than anyone be free to raise them as I see fit?

onecommentman 6y ago
It’s a hard question. You know your child better than anyone, but you don’t own your child nor their future. There are legal expectations for parental behavior at a Societal level, and perhaps informally at a Community level. Is that enough? Always thought a parental/guardian “report card” for those caring for school age children would be a good idea. We measure students and teachers, why not parents? Teachers rate parents on the educational support they provided their children and their teachers. Red/yellow/green, meaningful in child custody case and the like. Just an idea...
- snow_mac 6y ago
  What about single parents? Or parents who work two or three jobs to keep food on the table? My wife is a teacher and regularly deals with parents who are to busy trying to keep food on the table to study with their kids. It's super easy to judge when you make a 6 figure salary and are highly educated. But most families aren't making that kind of coin.
froh 6y ago
If you don't have any 'baggage' then yes, you'll most probably raise your kid just fine. But then: what harm would it do if you'd anyhow participate in a training, that, in said happy case, would just reiterate and reinforce what you'd do anyhow? And has the society possibly gone awry exactly because some common sense in child bearing has been buried? Dunning Kruger tells us we might just not know what we don't know... So, if the curriculum can be freely chosen for the "parental drivers license" what is the problem? There is plenty of research on the outcomes of parental training, btw, one random example of a training that has proven useful: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=brisch+safe&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DPPftH-bAw40J https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=bris...

SyzygistSix 6y ago

I think we would do better by allowing parents more time with their kids by reducing working hours. By all means, access to better parenting media would be good. Maybe give parents some time to attend those classes or read/watch parenting media rather than insist they work 50+ hours a week or work two jobs.

snow_mac 6y ago

Sounds like someone is for a communism run state. No thanks. I'll raise my kid the best possible way but the government cannot and will not tell me how.

slothtrop 6y ago

It's not a problem of ignorance (limited to this particular area.. broader ignorance, yes). Anyone with a good moral compass will do a decent job of raising their kids and seeking out answers when they need to. The kind of person that would most benefit from changing their parenting style is also the kind that would actively reject it.