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The XPS 15 is basically that laptop and is only hamstrung by dell being slow to move to Ryzen 4000 mobile chips. Mobile intel runs hot and slow.

Klonoar 6y ago
I'm sure some people like the XPS 15, but having tried it, I don't believe that it fits here - and honestly, I've not found _any_ Dell hardware to have fit and finish remotely close to a MacBook.
- izacus 6y ago
  Then you have very strange standards, the XPS 13 I have at home can easily compete with 13" MBP and outshines it in several areas. Especially having a sturdy build quality and a good keyboard.
  - Klonoar 6y ago
    The latest MBPs have the same, and outperform it. This isn't really debatable at the moment.
    - izacus 6y ago
      Huh, it's not? Why exactly?
    - TwoBit 6y ago
      After Apple's ongoing keyboard debacle and that stupid strip, I don't see how you have much credibility.
      - Klonoar 6y ago
        What? It's no longer "ongoing", as it was fixed and has been for some time. This is noted elsewhere in this thread, too. You can't try to claim someone has no credibility then wade in with incorrect facts. The TouchBar is bad and I wish they'd remove it, yeah.
NationalPark 6y ago
Of the 5 XPS line laptops I've had, 2 had component failures that required replacement under warranty (drives and ports) and one had a hinge that failed just after the warranty ended. As if that weren't frustrating enough, redeeming the warranty required about five hours total of phone conversation per incident. At every step of the way, they would demand I repeat dozens of irrelevant troubleshooting steps, or they would tell me the problem isn't covered (contradicting the last person I'd been handed off to), or they'd tell me it isn't covered but if I agree to pay to extend the warranty by another year then many he can ask his manager to backdate it and squeeze this in, etc. etc. As you might be able to guess, it's all sales/lies/incompetence and eventually I got through to someone high enough up to initiate the replacements under warranty. Of the many Macbooks I've had, only one ever had a failure that required service. I just scheduled a time to drop the computer off, then picked it up a week later and it was fixed, didn't have to argue with anyone about my warranty. Also - in my opinion - the XPS may be the best build quality of non-Apple laptops, but it's not even in the same league as a similarly priced macbook.
- TwoBit 6y ago
  How is the buikd quality not in the same league?
  - social_quotient 6y ago
    I agree, (GP) how is the dell XPS and similarly precision m5xxx not in the same league as the Mac?
    - eitland 6y ago
      Haven't had more than one Mac, but I've had a couple of XPS machines and there were always something odd. Just another anecdote but they kind of add up, just like the stories about the butterfly keybord on Mac. That said, personally I don't use Macs as I've given up adapting to the CMD-tab behavior (and misplaced fn/ctrl etc) after trying hard for about three years.
- worik 6y ago
TheGuyWhoCodes 6y ago
Dell made so much noise about their cooling chamber for the new XPS but forgot to actually do QA. They forgot to provide a working power brick. It didn't provide the advertised wattage (100 not 130) and even if it did actual workstations go with 230W. The trackpad was also broken for most people.

Klonoar 6y ago

I'm sure some people like the XPS 15, but having tried it, I don't believe that it fits here - and honestly, I've not found _any_ Dell hardware to have fit and finish remotely close to a MacBook.

izacus 6y ago
Then you have very strange standards, the XPS 13 I have at home can easily compete with 13" MBP and outshines it in several areas. Especially having a sturdy build quality and a good keyboard.
- Klonoar 6y ago
  The latest MBPs have the same, and outperform it. This isn't really debatable at the moment.
  - izacus 6y ago
    Huh, it's not? Why exactly?
  - TwoBit 6y ago
    After Apple's ongoing keyboard debacle and that stupid strip, I don't see how you have much credibility.
    - Klonoar 6y ago
      What? It's no longer "ongoing", as it was fixed and has been for some time. This is noted elsewhere in this thread, too. You can't try to claim someone has no credibility then wade in with incorrect facts. The TouchBar is bad and I wish they'd remove it, yeah.

NationalPark 6y ago

Of the 5 XPS line laptops I've had, 2 had component failures that required replacement under warranty (drives and ports) and one had a hinge that failed just after the warranty ended. As if that weren't frustrating enough, redeeming the warranty required about five hours total of phone conversation per incident. At every step of the way, they would demand I repeat dozens of irrelevant troubleshooting steps, or they would tell me the problem isn't covered (contradicting the last person I'd been handed off to), or they'd tell me it isn't covered but if I agree to pay to extend the warranty by another year then many he can ask his manager to backdate it and squeeze this in, etc. etc. As you might be able to guess, it's all sales/lies/incompetence and eventually I got through to someone high enough up to initiate the replacements under warranty. Of the many Macbooks I've had, only one ever had a failure that required service. I just scheduled a time to drop the computer off, then picked it up a week later and it was fixed, didn't have to argue with anyone about my warranty. Also - in my opinion - the XPS may be the best build quality of non-Apple laptops, but it's not even in the same league as a similarly priced macbook.

TwoBit 6y ago
How is the buikd quality not in the same league?
- social_quotient 6y ago
  I agree, (GP) how is the dell XPS and similarly precision m5xxx not in the same league as the Mac?
  - eitland 6y ago
    Haven't had more than one Mac, but I've had a couple of XPS machines and there were always something odd. Just another anecdote but they kind of add up, just like the stories about the butterfly keybord on Mac. That said, personally I don't use Macs as I've given up adapting to the CMD-tab behavior (and misplaced fn/ctrl etc) after trying hard for about three years.
worik 6y ago

TheGuyWhoCodes 6y ago

Dell made so much noise about their cooling chamber for the new XPS but forgot to actually do QA. They forgot to provide a working power brick. It didn't provide the advertised wattage (100 not 130) and even if it did actual workstations go with 230W. The trackpad was also broken for most people.