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> Mixed race teen at predominantly white school has to put up with rife use of racial slurs amount students, ignored by leadership. Seeks well-timed revenge and

by orf 6y ago

> Mixed race teen at predominantly white school has to put up with rife use of racial slurs amount students, ignored by leadership. Seeks well-timed revenge and thus target of revenge has life impacted. Meh. It’s vindictive, don’t get me wrong, but should he have just ignored this forever? I feel kind of bad for the girl, but at the end of the day she said what she said. And maybe that’s a lesson for others.

notananthem 6y ago
I don't feel bad for the girl, its a great opportunity for parents to review what they're instilling in their kids or what they're learning from peers. She learned it from somewhere.
- 93po 6y ago
  Considering she was quoting a rap song, it would appear she learned it from rap music
  - orf 6y ago
    And which specific song was that?
  - krapp 6y ago
    She was 15. She was old enough to know what that word means and whether or not you should use it, or quote it from a rap song.
    - loopz 6y ago
      Which word do you mean?
  - imbnwa 6y ago
    Can you point out where in the article you read that or where you got that information? I just came from reddit where a post about Chinese fishing boats fishing quasi-legally off the coast of Peru has a top comment where someone is seemingly making up a Chinese proverb that magically explains Chinese power projection, so I'm a little iffy
- orf 6y ago
  There’s an argument to be made about her youth and the outsized effect this has on her future. But yeah, maybe don’t go around saying racial slurs on camera no matter where you learned it.
  - true_religion 6y ago
    I doubt anything bad will happen to her in the future. In fact I'm sure some people will be more than happy to hire her now either because they think their was an overreaction or they agree that what she said was right. It's not as if racists don't exist, she goes to a school full of then aided by parents and teachers in full agreement with the status quo.
sagarm 6y ago
The girl was used as an example to push back against the broader culture of the school. It's unfortunate for her, but disproportionately punishing individuals for societal failures is pervasive in America. Hopefully this will encourage administrators, teachers, and parents to take this as seriously as the rest of the world does.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  > disproportionately punishing individuals for societal failures is pervasive This is exactly what mob justice is. It is always an emotional overreaction to a legitimate transgression. > Hopefully this will encourage administrators, teachers, and parents to take this as seriously as the rest of the world does. Unlikely. The reaction I've seen at other schools is to be so terrified of these mob overreactions that they stifle all critical thinking with draconian rules that limit any form of expression. For that same reason, we are seeing many school districts banning classical literature, because it doesn't conform to the modern ethical norms. Works like The Odyssey and works of Shakespeare... https://www.wsj.com/articles/even-homer-gets-mobbed-11609095872 https://www.wsj.com/articles/even-homer-gets-mobbed-11609095... We are creating a culture of fear and regression.
  - orf 6y ago
    I dunno, I think I’m ok with a culture of fear around using racial slurs, and perhaps viewing them as “legitimate transgressions” is part of the problem?
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      Firstly, I think you misinterpreted what I meant by "legitimate", and secondly, the point is that a mature rational society takes a proportionate approach to corrective behavior that doesn't include life destroying consequences.
    - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
      > "I think I’m ok with a culture of fear around using racial slurs" How many times has history demonstrated that angry groups of people can go out of control and lash out at innocents? The term "witch hunt" entered our lexicon for a reason.
imbnwa 6y ago
The best part is this: > "In interviews, current and former students of color described an environment rife with racial insensitivity, including casual uses of slurs," notes Levin. "A report commissioned last year by the school district documented a pattern of school leaders ignoring the widespread use of racial slurs by both students and teachers, fostering a 'growing sense of despair' among students of color, some of whom faced disproportionate disciplinary measures compared with white students." > Levin connects the outcry from aggrieved students to the broader Black Lives Matter movement and protests that occurred this summer following the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor at the hands of police. But nowhere does his article reckon with a very basic fact: The New York Times has opted to assist a teenager's desperate quest to ruin the life of a young woman who said something stupid when she was 15. The entire place is rampant with racial bullshit and the article writer is like, "But this poor girl's life is ruined!" They then equivocate the experience of racial prejudice with cheating on a math test, amongst other relative frivolities: > Or better yet, he could have simply not written this story, which concerns bad but by no means uncommon teenager behavior. If Groves had cheated on her math test, or planted a kick-me sign on a rival's back, would this constitute national news? No crime was committed; the utterance of the word did not even take place at school. The only thing novel about this situation is that it attracted the national media's attention. Like, you just got finished explaining there's a whole big racial problem at the joint, confirmed by third-parties and yet we're still talking about how there's "no crime" and "it didn't happen at school"... like, what? Amazing feats of hand-waving going on. I'd take the writer more seriously if they gave any kind of weight to the racist experiences occuring there, but those just aren't actual problems to them. Like, where do you think racist behavior comes from? This entire culture of looking the other way when casual racism is happening is a massive problem, and I've seen this stuff from educated, affluent people (whom apparently are also the subjects of the article). You can't really talk about how society is crumbling when you don't give two shits about recognizing the qualms at hand.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  I totally agree with you that casual racism needs nipped in the bud. This article itself reeks of white privilege and hidden racism. I'd feel bad for the girl, if she truly 'gets' the seriousness of what she said, and changes her behavior. I don't know her, the context, or how she's changed since then...she could've been a Trump supporter turned Bernie supporter and feel hugely ashamed or she could feel ashamed she 'got caught'. TIL Community colleges are filled with people who've all ruined their lives in some way to have got themselves enrolled in community college, instead of a prestigious school. Painting the consequence of her actions as 'having to attend community college' as 'ruining her life', literally is an elitist white-privilege thing. This is a valuable lesson, perhaps it'll be a wake up call saving her from growing up to be the stereotypical 'Karen'. A ruined life?? She's still alive, and likely has parents to take care of her and a roof over her head. Millions are losing homes, many teens have lost both parents to covid and are now orphaned. A black veteran, possessing a tiny amount of weed, gets 5 years in prison, while Aunt Becky from "Full House" gets 2 months for fraud in excess of half a million dollars. I guess, I have a much different view of what constitutes a 'ruined life' than the author. Aunt Becky, and this girl will bounce back fine. Homeless restaurant and hospitality and entertainment workers? Not so much. This black veteran? Maybe, if his record doesn't make getting a job impossible when he gets out...

by orf 6y ago

notananthem 6y ago

I don't feel bad for the girl, its a great opportunity for parents to review what they're instilling in their kids or what they're learning from peers. She learned it from somewhere.

93po 6y ago
Considering she was quoting a rap song, it would appear she learned it from rap music
- orf 6y ago
  And which specific song was that?
- krapp 6y ago
  She was 15. She was old enough to know what that word means and whether or not you should use it, or quote it from a rap song.
  - loopz 6y ago
    Which word do you mean?
- imbnwa 6y ago
  Can you point out where in the article you read that or where you got that information? I just came from reddit where a post about Chinese fishing boats fishing quasi-legally off the coast of Peru has a top comment where someone is seemingly making up a Chinese proverb that magically explains Chinese power projection, so I'm a little iffy
orf 6y ago
There’s an argument to be made about her youth and the outsized effect this has on her future. But yeah, maybe don’t go around saying racial slurs on camera no matter where you learned it.
- true_religion 6y ago
  I doubt anything bad will happen to her in the future. In fact I'm sure some people will be more than happy to hire her now either because they think their was an overreaction or they agree that what she said was right. It's not as if racists don't exist, she goes to a school full of then aided by parents and teachers in full agreement with the status quo.

sagarm 6y ago

The girl was used as an example to push back against the broader culture of the school. It's unfortunate for her, but disproportionately punishing individuals for societal failures is pervasive in America. Hopefully this will encourage administrators, teachers, and parents to take this as seriously as the rest of the world does.

koheripbal 6y ago
> disproportionately punishing individuals for societal failures is pervasive This is exactly what mob justice is. It is always an emotional overreaction to a legitimate transgression. > Hopefully this will encourage administrators, teachers, and parents to take this as seriously as the rest of the world does. Unlikely. The reaction I've seen at other schools is to be so terrified of these mob overreactions that they stifle all critical thinking with draconian rules that limit any form of expression. For that same reason, we are seeing many school districts banning classical literature, because it doesn't conform to the modern ethical norms. Works like The Odyssey and works of Shakespeare... https://www.wsj.com/articles/even-homer-gets-mobbed-11609095872 https://www.wsj.com/articles/even-homer-gets-mobbed-11609095... We are creating a culture of fear and regression.
- orf 6y ago
  I dunno, I think I’m ok with a culture of fear around using racial slurs, and perhaps viewing them as “legitimate transgressions” is part of the problem?
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    Firstly, I think you misinterpreted what I meant by "legitimate", and secondly, the point is that a mature rational society takes a proportionate approach to corrective behavior that doesn't include life destroying consequences.
  - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
    > "I think I’m ok with a culture of fear around using racial slurs" How many times has history demonstrated that angry groups of people can go out of control and lash out at innocents? The term "witch hunt" entered our lexicon for a reason.

imbnwa 6y ago

The best part is this: > "In interviews, current and former students of color described an environment rife with racial insensitivity, including casual uses of slurs," notes Levin. "A report commissioned last year by the school district documented a pattern of school leaders ignoring the widespread use of racial slurs by both students and teachers, fostering a 'growing sense of despair' among students of color, some of whom faced disproportionate disciplinary measures compared with white students." > Levin connects the outcry from aggrieved students to the broader Black Lives Matter movement and protests that occurred this summer following the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor at the hands of police. But nowhere does his article reckon with a very basic fact: The New York Times has opted to assist a teenager's desperate quest to ruin the life of a young woman who said something stupid when she was 15. The entire place is rampant with racial bullshit and the article writer is like, "But this poor girl's life is ruined!" They then equivocate the experience of racial prejudice with cheating on a math test, amongst other relative frivolities: > Or better yet, he could have simply not written this story, which concerns bad but by no means uncommon teenager behavior. If Groves had cheated on her math test, or planted a kick-me sign on a rival's back, would this constitute national news? No crime was committed; the utterance of the word did not even take place at school. The only thing novel about this situation is that it attracted the national media's attention. Like, you just got finished explaining there's a whole big racial problem at the joint, confirmed by third-parties and yet we're still talking about how there's "no crime" and "it didn't happen at school"... like, what? Amazing feats of hand-waving going on. I'd take the writer more seriously if they gave any kind of weight to the racist experiences occuring there, but those just aren't actual problems to them. Like, where do you think racist behavior comes from? This entire culture of looking the other way when casual racism is happening is a massive problem, and I've seen this stuff from educated, affluent people (whom apparently are also the subjects of the article). You can't really talk about how society is crumbling when you don't give two shits about recognizing the qualms at hand.

gremlinsinc 6y ago
I totally agree with you that casual racism needs nipped in the bud. This article itself reeks of white privilege and hidden racism. I'd feel bad for the girl, if she truly 'gets' the seriousness of what she said, and changes her behavior. I don't know her, the context, or how she's changed since then...she could've been a Trump supporter turned Bernie supporter and feel hugely ashamed or she could feel ashamed she 'got caught'. TIL Community colleges are filled with people who've all ruined their lives in some way to have got themselves enrolled in community college, instead of a prestigious school. Painting the consequence of her actions as 'having to attend community college' as 'ruining her life', literally is an elitist white-privilege thing. This is a valuable lesson, perhaps it'll be a wake up call saving her from growing up to be the stereotypical 'Karen'. A ruined life?? She's still alive, and likely has parents to take care of her and a roof over her head. Millions are losing homes, many teens have lost both parents to covid and are now orphaned. A black veteran, possessing a tiny amount of weed, gets 5 years in prison, while Aunt Becky from "Full House" gets 2 months for fraud in excess of half a million dollars. I guess, I have a much different view of what constitutes a 'ruined life' than the author. Aunt Becky, and this girl will bounce back fine. Homeless restaurant and hospitality and entertainment workers? Not so much. This black veteran? Maybe, if his record doesn't make getting a job impossible when he gets out...