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Sounds like hell. Nothing personal, but I really hope your enterprise fails miserably.

henearkr 6y ago
It's what some people need. People who don't need it just won't use it. It's not a "smoker / passive smoker" effect, they will not disturb other people.
- morlockabove 6y ago
  Some people need heroin. I'm against the war on drugs, but I still despise dealers.
  - henearkr 6y ago
    But in the case of heroin there are huge side-effects on health of the user and on the security of the surrounding people.
    - johnisgood 6y ago
      I know someone who takes it on a daily basis. You would not be able to tell that he uses. It makes him productive (he works in IT), he takes it to combat anxiety and depression. It works for him. He voluntarily goes through withdrawal occasionally so he will not have to increase the dose. He is in a healthy relationship, and so forth. He might be an exception, I do not know. All the side-effects are a result from the War on Drugs: not knowing the purity of the batch, adultered products, and so forth. This is why accidental overdoses happen. This is why it is bad for your health for the most part, because God knows with what it is mixed. Intentional overdoses happen too, but that happens with OTC medications, too, so heroin is not so special in that regard.
      - henearkr 6y ago
        Thanks, yes that's true that if the {legal, moral, medical} context was better most of the problem would be gone. People able to workaround the difficulties of this drug may well be fine. My point was that, in the current context, the use or heroin is hazardous -- in our current society, for most people -- which is not the case for virtual sex and related toys (if not horribly dysfunctional).
        johnisgood 6y ago
        Yeah, he does not use it for recreational purposes or escapism, so I believe that changes a lot. He has been doing it for years without any side-effects. He had MRI, blood tests, and so on. Everything's good. I do not know much about virtual sex. What are the possibilities and limitations of virtual sex today?
        henearkr 6y ago
        I do not work in this field and I don't know much (maybe better ask qdot76367), but I've discovered recently that VRChat ERP is a thing. Not virtual but still weird in another dimension, there are also animated realistic sex dolls.
        johnisgood 6y ago
        On Kickstarter I have seen some 3D holograph device that projected you in 3D. It looked kinda realistic, that would probably be interesting, too.
    - morlockabove 6y ago
      You mention "horribly dysfunctional" further down. That's what I have a problem with. I see these cardboard sex-simulacra trapping, for example, young men in local optima where they never go and talk to a real girl- even young men who could, if they tried, and who'd be happier in the end for it. Anything that increases the number of incels in the world is a bad thing, for everyone.
qdot76367 6y ago
looks at you looks at Project Melody I got some bad news. (This is not to say I'm pro-virtual-emodel or whatever the current name for this is, but it's definitely a thing, and it's definitely popular)
- morlockabove 6y ago
  Yeah, I know it's big. I just don't like it. I guess I'm raging against the future that seems to be coming- I'm finally old!

It's what some people need. People who don't need it just won't use it. It's not a "smoker / passive smoker" effect, they will not disturb other people.

morlockabove 6y ago
Some people need heroin. I'm against the war on drugs, but I still despise dealers.
- henearkr 6y ago
  But in the case of heroin there are huge side-effects on health of the user and on the security of the surrounding people.
  - johnisgood 6y ago
    I know someone who takes it on a daily basis. You would not be able to tell that he uses. It makes him productive (he works in IT), he takes it to combat anxiety and depression. It works for him. He voluntarily goes through withdrawal occasionally so he will not have to increase the dose. He is in a healthy relationship, and so forth. He might be an exception, I do not know. All the side-effects are a result from the War on Drugs: not knowing the purity of the batch, adultered products, and so forth. This is why accidental overdoses happen. This is why it is bad for your health for the most part, because God knows with what it is mixed. Intentional overdoses happen too, but that happens with OTC medications, too, so heroin is not so special in that regard.
    - henearkr 6y ago
      Thanks, yes that's true that if the {legal, moral, medical} context was better most of the problem would be gone. People able to workaround the difficulties of this drug may well be fine. My point was that, in the current context, the use or heroin is hazardous -- in our current society, for most people -- which is not the case for virtual sex and related toys (if not horribly dysfunctional).
      - johnisgood 6y ago
        Yeah, he does not use it for recreational purposes or escapism, so I believe that changes a lot. He has been doing it for years without any side-effects. He had MRI, blood tests, and so on. Everything's good. I do not know much about virtual sex. What are the possibilities and limitations of virtual sex today?
        henearkr 6y ago
        I do not work in this field and I don't know much (maybe better ask qdot76367), but I've discovered recently that VRChat ERP is a thing. Not virtual but still weird in another dimension, there are also animated realistic sex dolls.
        johnisgood 6y ago
        On Kickstarter I have seen some 3D holograph device that projected you in 3D. It looked kinda realistic, that would probably be interesting, too.
  - morlockabove 6y ago
    You mention "horribly dysfunctional" further down. That's what I have a problem with. I see these cardboard sex-simulacra trapping, for example, young men in local optima where they never go and talk to a real girl- even young men who could, if they tried, and who'd be happier in the end for it. Anything that increases the number of incels in the world is a bad thing, for everyone.

qdot76367 6y ago

looks at you looks at Project Melody I got some bad news. (This is not to say I'm pro-virtual-emodel or whatever the current name for this is, but it's definitely a thing, and it's definitely popular)

morlockabove 6y ago
Yeah, I know it's big. I just don't like it. I guess I'm raging against the future that seems to be coming- I'm finally old!