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Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open”. The vast majority of people are not enamored with technology for tech

by EricE 6y ago

Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open”. The vast majority of people are not enamored with technology for technologies sake. These are tools. Does the tool do what I want with the least amount of friction? That’s what they care about. Also how does Apples stance on one product in any way change the device you are using to post in any way? Are Apple thugs coming to your house destroying non-Apple tech? Of course not! It always amuses me how Apple can simultaneously be irrelevant due to their market share and also be the greatest threat to open computing by their temerity at daring to have different computing models. If you don’t like their computing model then don’t use it. Railing that they aren’t supporting your vision lockstep is pretty freaking arrogant. Their market position is strong because they provide value that people desire. The market is not a zero sum game. Apples mere existence does diminish your computing experience. Indeed Apples existence and continually pushing computing in new areas has benefited everyone in the last 40 years - whether you use Apple or not. Just think where computing would be of the attitude that you were only a real computer user if you assembled it - at the component to board level, not just bolting pre-mad parts to a pre-made case - persisted? People criticized Apple for selling complete computers with the Apple II. Your complaint isn’t that different.

segfaultbuserr 6y ago
> If you don’t like their computing model then don’t use it. Railing that they aren’t supporting your vision lockstep is pretty freaking arrogant. Alternatively, try to learn more about it by reverse engineering, which is what this article is all about.
mhh__ 6y ago
> Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open”. Just because Apple are boiling the frog doesn't make it a good thing.
- joosters 6y ago
  A terrible analogy, they aren't hurting anybody, something which would be fundamentally wrong. A better analogy would be that Apple is baking bread in a way that you don't like. Which is only a problem if you are forced to eat it.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    > A terrible analogy, they aren't hurting anybody, Hence the term boiling the frog. If everyone bakes their bread like this, and they definitely wish they could, that would be bad.
    - joosters 6y ago
      >> A terrible analogy, they aren't hurting anybody, > Hence the term boiling the frog Tell that to the frog!
    - zepto 6y ago
      It sounds like your are saying it would be bad if everyone behaved like Apple, therefore Apple is bad. I actually kind of agree with the first part. It would be bad if everyone behaved like them. However I think the only thing that will cause that to happen is if the government gets involved in regulating what software can be sold.
ksk 6y ago
>If you don’t like their computing model then don’t use it. Railing that they aren’t supporting your vision lockstep is pretty freaking arrogant. If you don't like/agree/see value in this persons comment then why are you engaging with them? That's how silly your position sounds. Now back to the substance of your comment. >Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open”. How could "not open" be a need of someone? >These are tools. Does the tool do what I want with the least amount of friction? That’s what they care about. How does an Apple engineer documenting the design add friction in any way to what you're doing? > Indeed Apples existence and continually pushing computing in new areas has benefited everyone in the last 40 years - whether you use Apple or not. Apple has helped popularize the smartphone as a consumer device to consume music/media, do light business on (emails, IM, documents, etc) and do a few minor creative tasks digitally such as drawing, music, etc. They do get a lot of credit for that. They have also co-created an application platform for other businesses to sell software. But then they robbed 30% of their sales too - They get negative credit for being so greedy. Your argument that they have "continually pushed computing" is a bit of a stretch. Give us your best argument/examples/facts.
webmobdev 6y ago
> Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open” And that is exactly the point you miss. You are happy and don't care if Apple is open or not. Good for you. Some of us are not. And if you do not care whether Apple is open or not, what does it really matter to you if some of us advocate for more openness and transparency from them? It's important to us.
- zepto 6y ago
  Why is it important to you? Everything you want exists already - it’s just not provided by Apple. Why do you care about what they do?
chx 6y ago
> Are Apple thugs coming to your house destroying non-Apple tech? Of course not! Reminds me of http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-cant-refuse-ww/ http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-can...

by EricE 6y ago

segfaultbuserr 6y ago

> If you don’t like their computing model then don’t use it. Railing that they aren’t supporting your vision lockstep is pretty freaking arrogant. Alternatively, try to learn more about it by reverse engineering, which is what this article is all about.

mhh__ 6y ago

> Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open”. Just because Apple are boiling the frog doesn't make it a good thing.

joosters 6y ago
A terrible analogy, they aren't hurting anybody, something which would be fundamentally wrong. A better analogy would be that Apple is baking bread in a way that you don't like. Which is only a problem if you are forced to eat it.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > A terrible analogy, they aren't hurting anybody, Hence the term boiling the frog. If everyone bakes their bread like this, and they definitely wish they could, that would be bad.
  - joosters 6y ago
    >> A terrible analogy, they aren't hurting anybody, > Hence the term boiling the frog Tell that to the frog!
  - zepto 6y ago
    It sounds like your are saying it would be bad if everyone behaved like Apple, therefore Apple is bad. I actually kind of agree with the first part. It would be bad if everyone behaved like them. However I think the only thing that will cause that to happen is if the government gets involved in regulating what software can be sold.

ksk 6y ago

>If you don’t like their computing model then don’t use it. Railing that they aren’t supporting your vision lockstep is pretty freaking arrogant. If you don't like/agree/see value in this persons comment then why are you engaging with them? That's how silly your position sounds. Now back to the substance of your comment. >Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open”. How could "not open" be a need of someone? >These are tools. Does the tool do what I want with the least amount of friction? That’s what they care about. How does an Apple engineer documenting the design add friction in any way to what you're doing? > Indeed Apples existence and continually pushing computing in new areas has benefited everyone in the last 40 years - whether you use Apple or not. Apple has helped popularize the smartphone as a consumer device to consume music/media, do light business on (emails, IM, documents, etc) and do a few minor creative tasks digitally such as drawing, music, etc. They do get a lot of credit for that. They have also co-created an application platform for other businesses to sell software. But then they robbed 30% of their sales too - They get negative credit for being so greedy. Your argument that they have "continually pushed computing" is a bit of a stretch. Give us your best argument/examples/facts.

webmobdev 6y ago

> Or maybe different people have different needs and don’t care if every device is “open” And that is exactly the point you miss. You are happy and don't care if Apple is open or not. Good for you. Some of us are not. And if you do not care whether Apple is open or not, what does it really matter to you if some of us advocate for more openness and transparency from them? It's important to us.

zepto 6y ago
Why is it important to you? Everything you want exists already - it’s just not provided by Apple. Why do you care about what they do?

chx 6y ago

> Are Apple thugs coming to your house destroying non-Apple tech? Of course not! Reminds me of http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-cant-refuse-ww/ http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-can...