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> people literally dying from a virus isn't a public health priority (This is going to seem combative, but it's not meant to be...) https://www.england.nhs.uk

> people literally dying from a virus isn't a public health priority (This is going to seem combative, but it's not meant to be...) https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-17-December-2020-weekly-file.xlsx https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sit... Look at the deaths by age and pre-existing-condition ("Tab 3 Deaths by condition") If you are under 60 and healthy, you are appear to be at almost no risk from C19.

tomrod 6y ago
Yes, in the immediate term C19 does not appear to impact mortality as a direct consequence of the virus if you under 60 + healthy. There are going to be a lot of long haul knock-ons to the health system, like cardiovascular issues, from what I'm reading.
- logifail 6y ago
  > There are going to be a lot of long haul knock-ons to the health system Citation? The effects of lockdowns are presumably also going to cause a significant effect on health in the medium and longer term? The economic effects are certainly going to be felt for decades.
  - tomrod 6y ago
    Citation: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.... I wrote a long response to your claim. However, for my mental health and your time, I will simply state that your assessment that the mental health impact of lockdown means it is not worth lockdown is superficial, misaligned to understanding the nation-cratering impact of a health system collapse, and should be reconsidered.
    - xorcist 6y ago
      Please do not suggest that the public health effects of lockdowns are limited to mental health and economic effects. There are remarkably fewer people diagnosed with early stages of cancer, for example. The question is then, if suddently the incidence went down or will people die unnecessarily from worse screening programs and non emergency care? Things like kids missing out on school is a clear factor in lower life expectancy, one of the few things which hold true independent of country and age group studied.
    - Izkata 6y ago
      So, not really any different from long-term effects of, say, flu viruses [0] we've lived with all our lives. The primary thing this pandemic has taught me is that people (myself included) weren't aware of what the flu could do to a person. [0] https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-ter...
      - tomrod 6y ago
        Correct, with a dramatic increase in magnitude for COVID-19 compared to an average flu season (where I also acknowledge bad flu seasons exist and have massive impact).
        logifail 6y ago
        > with a dramatic increase in magnitude According to a recent paper[0] "in-hospital mortality for COVID-19 was nearly three-times higher than for seasonal influenza" [0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2...
        zaroth 6y ago
        Here's an in-hospital mortality chart of flu vs. COVID versus age. The in-hospital mortality is basically equivalent up until age 55+. https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/1343672439734235136?s=20 https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/1343672439734235136?s=20

tomrod 6y ago

Yes, in the immediate term C19 does not appear to impact mortality as a direct consequence of the virus if you under 60 + healthy. There are going to be a lot of long haul knock-ons to the health system, like cardiovascular issues, from what I'm reading.

logifail 6y ago
> There are going to be a lot of long haul knock-ons to the health system Citation? The effects of lockdowns are presumably also going to cause a significant effect on health in the medium and longer term? The economic effects are certainly going to be felt for decades.
- tomrod 6y ago
  Citation: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.... I wrote a long response to your claim. However, for my mental health and your time, I will simply state that your assessment that the mental health impact of lockdown means it is not worth lockdown is superficial, misaligned to understanding the nation-cratering impact of a health system collapse, and should be reconsidered.
  - xorcist 6y ago
    Please do not suggest that the public health effects of lockdowns are limited to mental health and economic effects. There are remarkably fewer people diagnosed with early stages of cancer, for example. The question is then, if suddently the incidence went down or will people die unnecessarily from worse screening programs and non emergency care? Things like kids missing out on school is a clear factor in lower life expectancy, one of the few things which hold true independent of country and age group studied.
  - Izkata 6y ago
    So, not really any different from long-term effects of, say, flu viruses [0] we've lived with all our lives. The primary thing this pandemic has taught me is that people (myself included) weren't aware of what the flu could do to a person. [0] https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-ter...
    - tomrod 6y ago
      Correct, with a dramatic increase in magnitude for COVID-19 compared to an average flu season (where I also acknowledge bad flu seasons exist and have massive impact).
      - logifail 6y ago
        > with a dramatic increase in magnitude According to a recent paper[0] "in-hospital mortality for COVID-19 was nearly three-times higher than for seasonal influenza" [0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2...
        zaroth 6y ago
        Here's an in-hospital mortality chart of flu vs. COVID versus age. The in-hospital mortality is basically equivalent up until age 55+. https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/1343672439734235136?s=20 https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/1343672439734235136?s=20