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Real news and true unbiased, truth seeking, fact checking journalism.

aewens 6y ago
How would we go about proving that a news source claiming to be those things are actually real, truly unbiased, truth seeking, and fact checking?
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  There are two things that seem to undermine the currect media landscape. 1) Profits are more important that facts and integrity 2) That race to the bottom prevents the media from policing each other. That is, for example, ABC News won't call out CBS News because ABC News fears retaliation (so to speak).
bobbydreamer 6y ago
I was thinking a bit on this few weeks. How real news can be gathered up as now internet is everywhere. A website made up of Google maps, people would post status or their street or place they visited. Status could be picture or message like "Green", "repair" street lamp not working, awareness" too many street dogs. Messages could be just few sentences not big as a article. Restricted tags to filter news. This is sort public alerting what's happening in their neighbourhood.
chad_strategic 6y ago
Wow! Let's not get to crazy here... fear and hate drive audiences which drives profits. Also we we need to start with a critical thinking public. But I'm with you, I'm going to keep hoping.
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  Absolutely. The two go hand in hand. And yes, individuals need to be more responsible. However, that lack of critical thinking doesn't excuse the media from too often selling editorial as journalism. It doesn't excuse them from serving up click friendly fluff while real news gets sidestepped.
gfxgirl 6y ago
I'd argue this is basically impossible. Choosing what to report and how to report it. Which facts, how they are presented, etc. Listening to mostly left leaning shows, even when they think they're just reporting the facts I hear in their voice, their choice of questions, how they ask the questions, how they respond to the answers, which ideas they agree with and which they don't and in essence which ideas they want you to believe and which they don't. PS: if that wasn't clear I don't listen to many if any right leaning shows. I listen to radiolab, this american life, flash forward, no stupid questions, etc....
gremlinsinc 6y ago
Two things I've been thinking in this regards: 1. Social network that people vote on where in the political quadrant something is, at the same time it takes into account their own political leanings/upvotes/etc. So you can say this is lefist, I'm right-leaning, but I still like the article, and think it's newsorthy so I'll upvote it. Basically adding a lot more granular user sentimentality around articles. Letting users organically fact check, but having it all be transparent, you can see the user, and they're color coded by their political leanings so you can know you're talking w/ someone who supported Biden or Trump. 2. News show like Morning Joe with Krystal Ball, Cenk, Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Joe Scarborough, Cuomo, Anderson. -- Essentially voices from left, right, center-left, center-right, and mid-center. All with equal air-time on the issues. Format could be something like: Announcer announces topic/news. Each person gets 1 minute to respond, 15 seconds for rebuttals. Then move on to next topic. At the end of the show, fact checkers will grade each person's performance based on the percentage of factual statements vs lies and post it online with the video segment for transparency.

How would we go about proving that a news source claiming to be those things are actually real, truly unbiased, truth seeking, and fact checking?

chiefalchemist 6y ago
There are two things that seem to undermine the currect media landscape. 1) Profits are more important that facts and integrity 2) That race to the bottom prevents the media from policing each other. That is, for example, ABC News won't call out CBS News because ABC News fears retaliation (so to speak).

bobbydreamer 6y ago

I was thinking a bit on this few weeks. How real news can be gathered up as now internet is everywhere. A website made up of Google maps, people would post status or their street or place they visited. Status could be picture or message like "Green", "repair" street lamp not working, awareness" too many street dogs. Messages could be just few sentences not big as a article. Restricted tags to filter news. This is sort public alerting what's happening in their neighbourhood.

chad_strategic 6y ago

Wow! Let's not get to crazy here... fear and hate drive audiences which drives profits. Also we we need to start with a critical thinking public. But I'm with you, I'm going to keep hoping.

chiefalchemist 6y ago
Absolutely. The two go hand in hand. And yes, individuals need to be more responsible. However, that lack of critical thinking doesn't excuse the media from too often selling editorial as journalism. It doesn't excuse them from serving up click friendly fluff while real news gets sidestepped.

gfxgirl 6y ago

I'd argue this is basically impossible. Choosing what to report and how to report it. Which facts, how they are presented, etc. Listening to mostly left leaning shows, even when they think they're just reporting the facts I hear in their voice, their choice of questions, how they ask the questions, how they respond to the answers, which ideas they agree with and which they don't and in essence which ideas they want you to believe and which they don't. PS: if that wasn't clear I don't listen to many if any right leaning shows. I listen to radiolab, this american life, flash forward, no stupid questions, etc....

gremlinsinc 6y ago

Two things I've been thinking in this regards: 1. Social network that people vote on where in the political quadrant something is, at the same time it takes into account their own political leanings/upvotes/etc. So you can say this is lefist, I'm right-leaning, but I still like the article, and think it's newsorthy so I'll upvote it. Basically adding a lot more granular user sentimentality around articles. Letting users organically fact check, but having it all be transparent, you can see the user, and they're color coded by their political leanings so you can know you're talking w/ someone who supported Biden or Trump. 2. News show like Morning Joe with Krystal Ball, Cenk, Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Joe Scarborough, Cuomo, Anderson. -- Essentially voices from left, right, center-left, center-right, and mid-center. All with equal air-time on the issues. Format could be something like: Announcer announces topic/news. Each person gets 1 minute to respond, 15 seconds for rebuttals. Then move on to next topic. At the end of the show, fact checkers will grade each person's performance based on the percentage of factual statements vs lies and post it online with the video segment for transparency.