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My first thought was "can you boot from a PCIe SSD?" (looks like the answer is "no" from what I see). I wish there was a RPi with 16GB or 32GB of storage solde

by mikece 6y ago

My first thought was "can you boot from a PCIe SSD?" (looks like the answer is "no" from what I see). I wish there was a RPi with 16GB or 32GB of storage soldered to the board. Where I work we're using Raspberry Pi devices for industrial use and corruption of/wearing out the microSD card has been something we've wondered about. We could just buy premium microSD cards but having a "proper" SSD soldered to the board would be very helpful as well.

tyingq 6y ago
There's the compute module...32GB of eMMC is an option. https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-4/?variant=raspberry-pi-cm4001000 https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-4/?varia...
- geerlingguy 6y ago
  And in some good news on that front, the eMMC storage on the CM4 is twice as fast in many cases as older generations of Pi CMs, as it uses the full 8 bit eMMC bus. It's finally faster (for random IO at least) than any microSD card I've tested.
amenod 6y ago
We've had good success with making SD cards read-only. Of course this means that any data needs to be sent to a service for saving... YMMV.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  +1 to this. I've seen this done as well, and it works marvelously. SD cards last half of forever if all you're using them for is a boot device.
dpool 6y ago
If the system can see the PCIe SSD, you could always boot off the microSD card but use the PCIe SSD as the primary storage device. Definitely worth testing imo.
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MisterTea 6y ago
Even though you cant "boot" from a PCIe SSD or SATA disk (yet) you can simply stick the boot partition on the sd/emmc and then pull root from the pci attached disk. Kernel might load a little slow but user space should load quite fast.
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robotnikman 6y ago
There are MicroSD to CD card adapters out there. A bit clunky but they allow you to use full sized SD cards, which might be more durable
jsjohnst 6y ago
It depends on what you are needing to optimize for, industrial use is a very broad category. If you’re caring about the SD card’s endurance for reads/writes, I recommend trying the “high endurance SD” cards. I’ve had good luck with them having continual read/write activity over long periods. If however your concern is mechanical failure due to vibration, stay away from the SD card entirely. Pretty much guaranteed it’ll fail if it’s a high mechanical stress scenario. You’ve got two good options there I can vouch for, use a Compute Module w/ hard soldered eMMC or boot from USB instead. The compute module route is the best in my opinion, but doesn’t always fit the needs, and for those that don’t I recommend USB booting.

by mikece 6y ago

tyingq 6y ago

There's the compute module...32GB of eMMC is an option. https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-4/?variant=raspberry-pi-cm4001000 https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-4/?varia...

geerlingguy 6y ago
And in some good news on that front, the eMMC storage on the CM4 is twice as fast in many cases as older generations of Pi CMs, as it uses the full 8 bit eMMC bus. It's finally faster (for random IO at least) than any microSD card I've tested.

amenod 6y ago

We've had good success with making SD cards read-only. Of course this means that any data needs to be sent to a service for saving... YMMV.

pmiller2 6y ago
+1 to this. I've seen this done as well, and it works marvelously. SD cards last half of forever if all you're using them for is a boot device.

dpool 6y ago

If the system can see the PCIe SSD, you could always boot off the microSD card but use the PCIe SSD as the primary storage device. Definitely worth testing imo.

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MisterTea 6y ago

Even though you cant "boot" from a PCIe SSD or SATA disk (yet) you can simply stick the boot partition on the sd/emmc and then pull root from the pci attached disk. Kernel might load a little slow but user space should load quite fast.

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robotnikman 6y ago

There are MicroSD to CD card adapters out there. A bit clunky but they allow you to use full sized SD cards, which might be more durable

jsjohnst 6y ago

It depends on what you are needing to optimize for, industrial use is a very broad category. If you’re caring about the SD card’s endurance for reads/writes, I recommend trying the “high endurance SD” cards. I’ve had good luck with them having continual read/write activity over long periods. If however your concern is mechanical failure due to vibration, stay away from the SD card entirely. Pretty much guaranteed it’ll fail if it’s a high mechanical stress scenario. You’ve got two good options there I can vouch for, use a Compute Module w/ hard soldered eMMC or boot from USB instead. The compute module route is the best in my opinion, but doesn’t always fit the needs, and for those that don’t I recommend USB booting.