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People have been hiding behind internet anonymity since its earliest days, long before the “cancel culture” boogeyman was dreamed up

by xref 6y ago

jariel 6y ago
Cancel culture was not 'dreamed up' it's upon you, it's an obvious fact. The Oscars were unable to obtain a host at the last minute, literally for this reason, it's unprecedented. People are destroyed for opinions, or mere tweets.
- httpsterio 6y ago
  and why is that bad? If someone holds an opinion that is harmful to the society and humankind as a whole, why should that be tolerated?
  - jariel 6y ago
    Please take a moment of self awareness and reflection and read your comment, because I think really is the foundation of Orwellian authoritarianism. Have you considered that: 1) It's quite difficult to assert what actually does hurt people and; 2) more likely that these powers are merely going to be used for arbitrary political vindictiveness. If someone is saying 'ban the KKK from Facebook', sure, that's fine. But banning speech such as 'trans women are like women, but still different' - is totalitarian. 'Deadnaming' a trans person is also not very nice, but it's also not 'hate speech'. It will technically get you banned from Twitter, which is ridiculous. Side Note: the oddest thing about the people who want to suppress speech, is that I find they tend not to be 'overt, assertive people'. This is not the alpha-style nationalist authoritarianism of the gilded class, oddly, it's the opposite - it's the authoritarianism of the ostensibly vengeful transgressed and hyper-sensitive. It has Jacobin kind of element to it: populism of a kind of underclass, with shades of angry revenge.
- xref 6y ago
  Are you referring to Kevin Hart who bailed on the Oscar hosting gig? I mean, he publicly said a ton of _rough_ homophobic stuff and eventually he was held to account for it. That said, the Oscars went on as scheduled, I saw Hart in Jumanji 2 earlier this year, and I see he’s got a new flick with Woody Harrelson coming out. So exactly who/what was cancelled?
  - jariel 6y ago
    He was cancelled by the Oscars, they realized their mistake and invited him back, he told them to stuff it. This is a major snafu for 'major event' and is obviously a function of cancel culture. They could not get a replacement, partly because many are afraid of the added scrutiny. "So exactly who/what was cancelled?" ? JK Rowling is under blistering attack from New York magazine, just two days ago [1] for having a nuanced opinion about feminism and trans people. Gal Gadot is under fire for daring to portray Cleopatra (Egyptian Queen of Macedonian decent). [2] That's just in the last two days. The headlines are never ending, it's a clear and present issue. [1] https://www.thecut.com/article/who-did-j-k-rowling-become.html https://www.thecut.com/article/who-did-j-k-rowling-become.ht... [2] https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/gal-gadot-cleopatra-casting-backlash-macedonian-actress-1234606356/ https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/gal-gadot-cleopatra-castin...
    - krapp 6y ago
      As far as I know, JK Rowling still has a career as an author, her books haven't been banned, and she hasn't been fired. And Gal Godot is still a working actor. Her films haven't been banned or boycotted, she hasn't been fired or replaced in any roles. Neither of them have been deplatformed from any social media sites, been denied the ability to speak or to earn income. The right's definition of "cancel culture" seems to have degenerated to the point that it encompasses any criticism of anyone for any reason. Having someone disagree with you and express that disagreement isn't cancel culture, it's free speech.
      - xref 6y ago
        You’re possibly being downvoted because you lay it at the doorstep of “the right” when the problem is bigger than that. But thanks for more directly making my original point that, as the GP’s post shows, many people’s working definition seems to be “criticism == cancel culture”
alentist 6y ago
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People have been hiding behind internet anonymity since its earliest days, long before the “cancel culture” boogeyman was dreamed up

by xref 6y ago

People have been hiding behind internet anonymity since its earliest days, long before the “cancel culture” boogeyman was dreamed up

jariel 6y ago

Cancel culture was not 'dreamed up' it's upon you, it's an obvious fact. The Oscars were unable to obtain a host at the last minute, literally for this reason, it's unprecedented. People are destroyed for opinions, or mere tweets.

httpsterio 6y ago
and why is that bad? If someone holds an opinion that is harmful to the society and humankind as a whole, why should that be tolerated?
- jariel 6y ago
  Please take a moment of self awareness and reflection and read your comment, because I think really is the foundation of Orwellian authoritarianism. Have you considered that: 1) It's quite difficult to assert what actually does hurt people and; 2) more likely that these powers are merely going to be used for arbitrary political vindictiveness. If someone is saying 'ban the KKK from Facebook', sure, that's fine. But banning speech such as 'trans women are like women, but still different' - is totalitarian. 'Deadnaming' a trans person is also not very nice, but it's also not 'hate speech'. It will technically get you banned from Twitter, which is ridiculous. Side Note: the oddest thing about the people who want to suppress speech, is that I find they tend not to be 'overt, assertive people'. This is not the alpha-style nationalist authoritarianism of the gilded class, oddly, it's the opposite - it's the authoritarianism of the ostensibly vengeful transgressed and hyper-sensitive. It has Jacobin kind of element to it: populism of a kind of underclass, with shades of angry revenge.
xref 6y ago
Are you referring to Kevin Hart who bailed on the Oscar hosting gig? I mean, he publicly said a ton of _rough_ homophobic stuff and eventually he was held to account for it. That said, the Oscars went on as scheduled, I saw Hart in Jumanji 2 earlier this year, and I see he’s got a new flick with Woody Harrelson coming out. So exactly who/what was cancelled?
- jariel 6y ago
  He was cancelled by the Oscars, they realized their mistake and invited him back, he told them to stuff it. This is a major snafu for 'major event' and is obviously a function of cancel culture. They could not get a replacement, partly because many are afraid of the added scrutiny. "So exactly who/what was cancelled?" ? JK Rowling is under blistering attack from New York magazine, just two days ago [1] for having a nuanced opinion about feminism and trans people. Gal Gadot is under fire for daring to portray Cleopatra (Egyptian Queen of Macedonian decent). [2] That's just in the last two days. The headlines are never ending, it's a clear and present issue. [1] https://www.thecut.com/article/who-did-j-k-rowling-become.html https://www.thecut.com/article/who-did-j-k-rowling-become.ht... [2] https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/gal-gadot-cleopatra-casting-backlash-macedonian-actress-1234606356/ https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/gal-gadot-cleopatra-castin...
  - krapp 6y ago
    As far as I know, JK Rowling still has a career as an author, her books haven't been banned, and she hasn't been fired. And Gal Godot is still a working actor. Her films haven't been banned or boycotted, she hasn't been fired or replaced in any roles. Neither of them have been deplatformed from any social media sites, been denied the ability to speak or to earn income. The right's definition of "cancel culture" seems to have degenerated to the point that it encompasses any criticism of anyone for any reason. Having someone disagree with you and express that disagreement isn't cancel culture, it's free speech.
    - xref 6y ago
      You’re possibly being downvoted because you lay it at the doorstep of “the right” when the problem is bigger than that. But thanks for more directly making my original point that, as the GP’s post shows, many people’s working definition seems to be “criticism == cancel culture”

alentist 6y ago

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1282404647160942598.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1282404647160942598.html