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>I think it's more useful (and reasonable) to look at all the brutality In what specific way is it more useful? Other than just the overall raw fact of pointin

by Bakary 6y ago

>I think it's more useful (and reasonable) to look at all the brutality In what specific way is it more useful? Other than just the overall raw fact of pointing out that collective memory is often arbitrary and in flux (which I think most people intuitively accept). You certainly will not get to see people get upset or relaxed in exact proportion to the magnitude of the topics considered. I'm asking because I've heard those arguments in various contexts and there's rarely added information other than an attempt to de-legitimize grievances through historical comparisons. I'm not saying that this is the case here or attributing intentions to your post, but I feel it is worth mentioning the context under which these arguments might be perceived.

Red29 6y ago
I think it's problematic to isolate historical events without considering the surrounding history and can inflame tensions between communities/nations. In terms of The Japanese invasion of China, this event has often been magnified by China in comparison to other brutal events that occurred after and before it. Taken in isolation it is indeed horrendous. But zeroing in on this event downplays the brutality of the other events within China, both by other Europeans and by various Chinese over the past 200 years. Its a distortion of history. To give an example for a number of decades in china there have been 1000s of films about Japan's invasion of China. How many have there been on Britians cruelty to the chinese? Encouraging a demonising of a nation is not something I can support.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  Hey, this comment is composed of arbitrary claims without any references. Can we have a more constructive discussion where information and data can be shared?
  - Red29 6y ago
    Well that's a fair point. Can I also say that I thought your first comment was beautifully written (I'm being honest here). Anyway, I don't have time right now right now to provide evidence. So that does weaken my case. I looked into this stuff years ago. I also am aware that my position might be hurtful to Chinese. That is not my intention either (but it may have happened - and I'm sorry if that did occur). I could try and provide some links Tomo. Just to repeat I know the Japan invasion of china was horrific. Their treatment of British Soldiers was awful too. But how this event has been portrayed by the Chinese, relative to other awful historical events and the impact that has had on them is something I feel needs consideration. Anyway I'm just repeating myself.
    - justicezyx 6y ago
      Points taken. CCP indeed has a plan for most significant historical events where the party has proper resources to work on. Those were mostly managed by the propaganda department. This is also reflecting my comments elsewhere about China is far more exotic than just being oppressive and authoritarian. But for all those manipulation, Japanese denial has been extremely insulting and unnecessary, which I have been saying all the time.

by Bakary 6y ago

Red29 6y ago

I think it's problematic to isolate historical events without considering the surrounding history and can inflame tensions between communities/nations. In terms of The Japanese invasion of China, this event has often been magnified by China in comparison to other brutal events that occurred after and before it. Taken in isolation it is indeed horrendous. But zeroing in on this event downplays the brutality of the other events within China, both by other Europeans and by various Chinese over the past 200 years. Its a distortion of history. To give an example for a number of decades in china there have been 1000s of films about Japan's invasion of China. How many have there been on Britians cruelty to the chinese? Encouraging a demonising of a nation is not something I can support.

justicezyx 6y ago
Hey, this comment is composed of arbitrary claims without any references. Can we have a more constructive discussion where information and data can be shared?
- Red29 6y ago
  Well that's a fair point. Can I also say that I thought your first comment was beautifully written (I'm being honest here). Anyway, I don't have time right now right now to provide evidence. So that does weaken my case. I looked into this stuff years ago. I also am aware that my position might be hurtful to Chinese. That is not my intention either (but it may have happened - and I'm sorry if that did occur). I could try and provide some links Tomo. Just to repeat I know the Japan invasion of china was horrific. Their treatment of British Soldiers was awful too. But how this event has been portrayed by the Chinese, relative to other awful historical events and the impact that has had on them is something I feel needs consideration. Anyway I'm just repeating myself.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    Points taken. CCP indeed has a plan for most significant historical events where the party has proper resources to work on. Those were mostly managed by the propaganda department. This is also reflecting my comments elsewhere about China is far more exotic than just being oppressive and authoritarian. But for all those manipulation, Japanese denial has been extremely insulting and unnecessary, which I have been saying all the time.