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I mean it's a complex piece of history. America bombed to bits Japan and nuked it twice. Should USA not be remorseful at all? Or how about the European colonis

by Red29 6y ago

I mean it's a complex piece of history. America bombed to bits Japan and nuked it twice. Should USA not be remorseful at all? Or how about the European colonisation of Asia? I don't recall Brits feeling bad about the opium wars. Or how about China invading Tibet or its horrific "cultural revolutions"?

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justicezyx 6y ago
All you said are true. But let's stick to the topic and avoid whataboutism. Edit: I saw you have another almost identical comment (now flagged). Are you feeling that I am deliberately leave out the rethoric that China or CCP were equally brutal, so that you have to raise points about China been the one committed crime. I find those thoughts insulting, inhumane, and plainly wrong. I am a Chinese. My ancestors have suffered those brutality themselves. My grand father still had the memory of the fear he was subjected to during Japanese invasion (not part of the NanJing massacre). My entire life has been haunted by the gruesome deeds that I personally has association with through my people's collective memory. It was not just the shear number of people killed. It was also the plain animal like brutality performed, whcih terrified my heart. So much so that I avoid sharing those with anyone, online or in person. Just repeating those in my mind causes fear and repulsion to my guts. (Google it yourself at your own discretion) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25552862 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25552862
- Red29 6y ago
  So the point is, is that there were many horrific incidents that occurred in Asia, and China sadly. I think it's more useful (and reasonable) to look at all the brutality. The 1850s civil war in China btw was arguably the worst of the lot. An insane level of brutality there but it seemingly goes unmentioned. The west did horrific things in Asia. I'm really curious why the Chinese don't have the same level of resentment over the British given how barbaric they treated them in the 1800s. Don't forget it was USA that forced open Japan. They didn't ask to be open to the world.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    > I'm really curious why the Chinese don't have the same level of resentment over the British given how barbaric they treated them in the 1800s. Not sure how did you get the impression that Chinese don't have the same level of sentiment towards Britain? I suggest you google what happened in Nanjing and the 731 unit. And see for yourself why they evoked stronger mental reactions. But still, like I expressed elsewhere, to question people's feeling based on hypothetical political motive is such a CCP way of thinking. I have to say that a lot of people have lost the battle against CCP.
    - Red29 6y ago
      So based on a limited pool of my Chinese friends and work there I have never experienced any resentment towards the British. Nor do the Chinese show anger towards Koreans who made up a significant proportion of the Japan imperial force. I'm aware of the history of China. It's telling that it was the USA after the war that played up Japan's aggression in China. Now the invasion was bad, but was it unique in its brutality? The 1850s civil war in China was way worse. Why the lack of focus on Europeans not apologizing for what they did in Asia/China? Why the bombardment of films about the evil Japanese invading but not the Europeans? I've seen anti-japanese posters in China never seen anything on Europeans.
      - justicezyx 6y ago
        I am not sure what's your motivation of continue this motivation analysis on my feeling towards brutality. I am always frustrated by the general skeptics applied on any comments where China and/or Chinese people were painted as the victim. Doesn't it appear universal that feelings of people because of recent historical events should be respected? To answer your question again, WWII is the most recent historical events... Of course people are going to have fresher memory of them. If people apply same emotional response to all historical events, USA should have a civil between Indian, African Americans, White, and Mexican people all the time. Why such self-evident rationale automatically excluded from anything related to China/Chinese people? Was this racism? I cannot find any other execute...
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by Red29 6y ago

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justicezyx 6y ago

All you said are true. But let's stick to the topic and avoid whataboutism. Edit: I saw you have another almost identical comment (now flagged). Are you feeling that I am deliberately leave out the rethoric that China or CCP were equally brutal, so that you have to raise points about China been the one committed crime. I find those thoughts insulting, inhumane, and plainly wrong. I am a Chinese. My ancestors have suffered those brutality themselves. My grand father still had the memory of the fear he was subjected to during Japanese invasion (not part of the NanJing massacre). My entire life has been haunted by the gruesome deeds that I personally has association with through my people's collective memory. It was not just the shear number of people killed. It was also the plain animal like brutality performed, whcih terrified my heart. So much so that I avoid sharing those with anyone, online or in person. Just repeating those in my mind causes fear and repulsion to my guts. (Google it yourself at your own discretion) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25552862 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25552862

Red29 6y ago
So the point is, is that there were many horrific incidents that occurred in Asia, and China sadly. I think it's more useful (and reasonable) to look at all the brutality. The 1850s civil war in China btw was arguably the worst of the lot. An insane level of brutality there but it seemingly goes unmentioned. The west did horrific things in Asia. I'm really curious why the Chinese don't have the same level of resentment over the British given how barbaric they treated them in the 1800s. Don't forget it was USA that forced open Japan. They didn't ask to be open to the world.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  > I'm really curious why the Chinese don't have the same level of resentment over the British given how barbaric they treated them in the 1800s. Not sure how did you get the impression that Chinese don't have the same level of sentiment towards Britain? I suggest you google what happened in Nanjing and the 731 unit. And see for yourself why they evoked stronger mental reactions. But still, like I expressed elsewhere, to question people's feeling based on hypothetical political motive is such a CCP way of thinking. I have to say that a lot of people have lost the battle against CCP.
  - Red29 6y ago
    So based on a limited pool of my Chinese friends and work there I have never experienced any resentment towards the British. Nor do the Chinese show anger towards Koreans who made up a significant proportion of the Japan imperial force. I'm aware of the history of China. It's telling that it was the USA after the war that played up Japan's aggression in China. Now the invasion was bad, but was it unique in its brutality? The 1850s civil war in China was way worse. Why the lack of focus on Europeans not apologizing for what they did in Asia/China? Why the bombardment of films about the evil Japanese invading but not the Europeans? I've seen anti-japanese posters in China never seen anything on Europeans.
    - justicezyx 6y ago
      I am not sure what's your motivation of continue this motivation analysis on my feeling towards brutality. I am always frustrated by the general skeptics applied on any comments where China and/or Chinese people were painted as the victim. Doesn't it appear universal that feelings of people because of recent historical events should be respected? To answer your question again, WWII is the most recent historical events... Of course people are going to have fresher memory of them. If people apply same emotional response to all historical events, USA should have a civil between Indian, African Americans, White, and Mexican people all the time. Why such self-evident rationale automatically excluded from anything related to China/Chinese people? Was this racism? I cannot find any other execute...
- 6y ago