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When thinking about this, you have to ask, who will profit, and how? It doesn’t seem like a clone of your brain running in a simulation is going to be of much a

When thinking about this, you have to ask, who will profit, and how? It doesn’t seem like a clone of your brain running in a simulation is going to be of much advantage to you from the current industry incentives. Maybe if you’re rich?

ben_w 6y ago
If you make some fairly plausible assumptions about Moores law (and equivalents), the simulations are cheaper than the meat bodies before mid-century. • https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/51746/when-will-uploaded-minds-be-a-reality/67531#67531 https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/51746/when... • https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/pocket-brains/ https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/pocket-brai...
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  That is cool, but tangential to the question posed above - given that every part of surveiliance capitalism is currently working against my interest, either to sell me something I dont need, to inflienxe the way I vote, etc. Will the simulation of my brain belong to a megacorp, and be used to do even more damage?
  - visarga 6y ago
    Black Mirror stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)
  - sli 6y ago
    There is simply no way corporate hegemony will allow you to own the rights to the digital copy of you that they built using the tools of surveillance capitalism. No corporation or lawmaker will grant you rights over corporate property, even if that property was obtained through questionable means and/or your consent was never actually received. That's why these data snooping agreements corporations force into their products reserve the right to do whatever they want with your data. The obvious response to this is, "Then don't patron those companies," which is just as naive and oversimplified of a solution as the one above suggesting everyone everywhere should just use encryption (but for very different reasons). There is just simply no logical reason to believe consumers would ever get data rights over corporations under capitalism with major reforms putting corporations back under our boots where they belong.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    > Will the simulation of my brain belong to a megacorp, and be used to do even more damage? Potential damage: the sim can do any work which meat-you might otherwise be paid for, building the things the megacorps want to build, while meat-you sufferers from <insert dystopian fate of your choice here, because you now have less annual economic value than a guide dog costs today>. Even worse outcome: the sims are sentient and they know they’re enslaved and they can’t do anything about it. (I don’t think anyone yet knows if sims would be sentient, or if it might be optional, but in the worst case dystopian nightmare the combination would definitely be even worse than just one of the two).
visarga 6y ago
AGI might be running our models just like you run your docker containers. Maybe it investigates other ways humans could have invented it by recreating the period before the singularity.

ben_w 6y ago

If you make some fairly plausible assumptions about Moores law (and equivalents), the simulations are cheaper than the meat bodies before mid-century. • https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/51746/when-will-uploaded-minds-be-a-reality/67531#67531 https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/51746/when... • https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/pocket-brains/ https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/pocket-brai...

ClumsyPilot 6y ago
That is cool, but tangential to the question posed above - given that every part of surveiliance capitalism is currently working against my interest, either to sell me something I dont need, to inflienxe the way I vote, etc. Will the simulation of my brain belong to a megacorp, and be used to do even more damage?
- visarga 6y ago
  Black Mirror stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)
- sli 6y ago
  There is simply no way corporate hegemony will allow you to own the rights to the digital copy of you that they built using the tools of surveillance capitalism. No corporation or lawmaker will grant you rights over corporate property, even if that property was obtained through questionable means and/or your consent was never actually received. That's why these data snooping agreements corporations force into their products reserve the right to do whatever they want with your data. The obvious response to this is, "Then don't patron those companies," which is just as naive and oversimplified of a solution as the one above suggesting everyone everywhere should just use encryption (but for very different reasons). There is just simply no logical reason to believe consumers would ever get data rights over corporations under capitalism with major reforms putting corporations back under our boots where they belong.
- ben_w 6y ago
  > Will the simulation of my brain belong to a megacorp, and be used to do even more damage? Potential damage: the sim can do any work which meat-you might otherwise be paid for, building the things the megacorps want to build, while meat-you sufferers from <insert dystopian fate of your choice here, because you now have less annual economic value than a guide dog costs today>. Even worse outcome: the sims are sentient and they know they’re enslaved and they can’t do anything about it. (I don’t think anyone yet knows if sims would be sentient, or if it might be optional, but in the worst case dystopian nightmare the combination would definitely be even worse than just one of the two).

visarga 6y ago

AGI might be running our models just like you run your docker containers. Maybe it investigates other ways humans could have invented it by recreating the period before the singularity.