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Now talk about deploying something NOT using Kubernetes. The double whammy. Now you're looking like an insane 100 year old graybeard fossil.

by pram 6y ago

biglost 6y ago
Or overuse of microservices
- TimTheTinker 6y ago
  ^ this. Proliferation of many microservices and repos is a trend I’m trying (and failing) to buck at my current job. The next time I have to copy/paste the same utility to a new microservice because [insert corporate reason] I’m going to scream.
klodolph 6y ago
I had a conversation a couple months ago where some guy was telling me that I should run my personal website using Kubernetes. It’s a static website served with Nginx! I just about lost my mind trying to talk to this guy, and he kept trying to convince me to try Kubernetes for my personal website.
- indemnity 6y ago
  Why even run nginx? My personal website is served out of a private S3 bucket, with CloudFront sitting in front of it. As a former sysadmin, the less actual admin I need to do the better.
  - d3nj4l 6y ago
    You could have other, self-hosted services there. That's my setup: I have self hosted trilium and used to self host matrix. The personal nginx served website was just a cherry on top of the cake.
    - cobbzilla 6y ago
      > I have self hosted trilium and used to self host matrix. Wait, you’re self hosting multiple apps on one system, and not using K8?!? Your apps can’t autoscale or do blue/green upgrades or any of the cool stuff you are now mandated to do by the cargo cult. How do you sleep at night?? /s
      - Frost1x 6y ago
        >or any of the cool stuff you are now mandated to do by the cargo cult. This is ultimately what drives me insane about the tech sector: so many choices are trend based and cult like when any sort of technical discipline shouldn't be.
  - klodolph 6y ago
    S3 has no https and unsatisfactory performance. My website used to be in an S3 bucket, I was unhappy with it.
    - jbboehr 6y ago
      If you run it behind CloudFront it does support HTTPS.
      - klodolph 6y ago
        Anything “supports HTTPS” if you count putting an HTTPS proxy in front of it. In other words, S3 does not support HTTPS, but you can work around that limitation by combining it with other services. My personal website is low-traffic, it’s not going to be very hot in any CDN caches. Based on my experiences with S3 performance, adding another layer of cache misses in front of it is probably just going to slow things down.
        jbboehr 6y ago
        Fair enough. The suggestion was more for the HTTPS part and not the performance part of your complaint. It's simple enough to set up, pay-as-you-go, only requires one vendor, and should be very scalable. I'd just as soon throw up nginx on a Linode, myself.
pjmlp 6y ago
Fossil here, happily using VMs.
- XorNot 6y ago
  I guess that makes me fossilizing, because this is the direction I think we should really be heading. When I stare at docker long enough I wind up at "why couldn't this be a static binary" or "this would be easier to secure if it was it's own VM".
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Many people are basically misusing Docker to work around Python and Ruby dependency problems.
    - keyle 6y ago
      ^ this is a very good point. Someone else's mess, let me put it all together, in a nice pot plant.
    - scaryclam 6y ago
      9/10 times I see the problems getting solved in the same way you can do without docker, except now the application is also running as root and several more containers are added to work around other issues created by running in docker :(
  - piaste 6y ago
    A Docker container is a lot simpler to maintain than a VM, for just about any task you care to mention. A static binary is much better than a Docker container, I agree. Unfortunately a lot of useful apps can't or won't ship as a static binary (Java, Python, PHP apps), and Docker makes them behave much more like a static binary.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Java can certainly be shipped as single static binary, AOT compilers exist since around 2000. Same applies to Python bundlers like py2exe.

Now talk about deploying something NOT using Kubernetes. The double whammy. Now you're looking like an insane 100 year old graybeard fossil.

by pram 6y ago

Now talk about deploying something NOT using Kubernetes. The double whammy. Now you're looking like an insane 100 year old graybeard fossil.

biglost 6y ago

Or overuse of microservices

TimTheTinker 6y ago
^ this. Proliferation of many microservices and repos is a trend I’m trying (and failing) to buck at my current job. The next time I have to copy/paste the same utility to a new microservice because [insert corporate reason] I’m going to scream.

klodolph 6y ago

I had a conversation a couple months ago where some guy was telling me that I should run my personal website using Kubernetes. It’s a static website served with Nginx! I just about lost my mind trying to talk to this guy, and he kept trying to convince me to try Kubernetes for my personal website.

indemnity 6y ago
Why even run nginx? My personal website is served out of a private S3 bucket, with CloudFront sitting in front of it. As a former sysadmin, the less actual admin I need to do the better.
- d3nj4l 6y ago
  You could have other, self-hosted services there. That's my setup: I have self hosted trilium and used to self host matrix. The personal nginx served website was just a cherry on top of the cake.
  - cobbzilla 6y ago
    > I have self hosted trilium and used to self host matrix. Wait, you’re self hosting multiple apps on one system, and not using K8?!? Your apps can’t autoscale or do blue/green upgrades or any of the cool stuff you are now mandated to do by the cargo cult. How do you sleep at night?? /s
    - Frost1x 6y ago
      >or any of the cool stuff you are now mandated to do by the cargo cult. This is ultimately what drives me insane about the tech sector: so many choices are trend based and cult like when any sort of technical discipline shouldn't be.
- klodolph 6y ago
  S3 has no https and unsatisfactory performance. My website used to be in an S3 bucket, I was unhappy with it.
  - jbboehr 6y ago
    If you run it behind CloudFront it does support HTTPS.
    - klodolph 6y ago
      Anything “supports HTTPS” if you count putting an HTTPS proxy in front of it. In other words, S3 does not support HTTPS, but you can work around that limitation by combining it with other services. My personal website is low-traffic, it’s not going to be very hot in any CDN caches. Based on my experiences with S3 performance, adding another layer of cache misses in front of it is probably just going to slow things down.
      - jbboehr 6y ago
        Fair enough. The suggestion was more for the HTTPS part and not the performance part of your complaint. It's simple enough to set up, pay-as-you-go, only requires one vendor, and should be very scalable. I'd just as soon throw up nginx on a Linode, myself.

pjmlp 6y ago

Fossil here, happily using VMs.

XorNot 6y ago
I guess that makes me fossilizing, because this is the direction I think we should really be heading. When I stare at docker long enough I wind up at "why couldn't this be a static binary" or "this would be easier to secure if it was it's own VM".
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Many people are basically misusing Docker to work around Python and Ruby dependency problems.
  - keyle 6y ago
    ^ this is a very good point. Someone else's mess, let me put it all together, in a nice pot plant.
  - scaryclam 6y ago
    9/10 times I see the problems getting solved in the same way you can do without docker, except now the application is also running as root and several more containers are added to work around other issues created by running in docker :(
- piaste 6y ago
  A Docker container is a lot simpler to maintain than a VM, for just about any task you care to mention. A static binary is much better than a Docker container, I agree. Unfortunately a lot of useful apps can't or won't ship as a static binary (Java, Python, PHP apps), and Docker makes them behave much more like a static binary.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Java can certainly be shipped as single static binary, AOT compilers exist since around 2000. Same applies to Python bundlers like py2exe.