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In my experience Dunning-Kruger 100% is there but in the following form: "knowledgeable people doubt, and less people know they are more confident." It is even

In my experience Dunning-Kruger 100% is there but in the following form: "knowledgeable people doubt, and less people know they are more confident." It is even amazing sometimes, how confidently people without any knowledge talk and give opinion about subjects that need high level of knowledge, just to even begin to ponder about it. And again, it can be my bias.

elmo2you 6y ago
I don't know why your response got down voted. Maybe some rather specific people got their panties in a twist. Either way, what you said is something Bertrand Russel (certainly not best known for being a dumb man) once worded like this: "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." .. and just for good measure, here is another one of his quotes, which is hardly well know to those who would probably be better off if they did: "Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man, and our politicians take advantage of this prejudice by pretending to be even more stupid than nature made them." In summary: ignorant people do appear to often be more confident than they deserve to be. Whether that is actually because they are truly unaware of their ignorance, that could certainly be a good question to ask oneself. For there are plenty who deliberately abuse both faked ignorance and confidence just to bamboozle and deceive others.
- NiceWayToDoIT 6y ago
  Someone said "if you wouldn't attack yourself in street fight don't do it verbally", but for the sake of good British joke I will say following: So, down-voting my answer is confirming my statement. I do not know much about subject but I confidently claimed 100% effect, therefore confirming what I said :) It is like that brain melting sentence "If I say that I am lying, am I lying?" If I claim that Dunning-Kruger Effect is 100% real is it really real? :) Marry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!
  - tyu2 6y ago
    > I do not know much about subject but I confidently claimed 100% effect, therefore confirming what I said :) Well, that's not a Dunning-Kruger Effect either, but maybe a confirmation bias mixed with survivorship bias.
    - NiceWayToDoIT 6y ago
      Pffffffffff *amn it ... I can not be right about being wrong in a proper way ...
gmuslera 6y ago
My rationalization about that effect was around the idea that the deeper is your knowledge on a topic, the more aware you become of how much is left to know. Turning what you don't know that you don't know into something that you know that you don't know. Not being aware of things that you don't know gives you confidence.

elmo2you 6y ago

I don't know why your response got down voted. Maybe some rather specific people got their panties in a twist. Either way, what you said is something Bertrand Russel (certainly not best known for being a dumb man) once worded like this: "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." .. and just for good measure, here is another one of his quotes, which is hardly well know to those who would probably be better off if they did: "Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man, and our politicians take advantage of this prejudice by pretending to be even more stupid than nature made them." In summary: ignorant people do appear to often be more confident than they deserve to be. Whether that is actually because they are truly unaware of their ignorance, that could certainly be a good question to ask oneself. For there are plenty who deliberately abuse both faked ignorance and confidence just to bamboozle and deceive others.

NiceWayToDoIT 6y ago
Someone said "if you wouldn't attack yourself in street fight don't do it verbally", but for the sake of good British joke I will say following: So, down-voting my answer is confirming my statement. I do not know much about subject but I confidently claimed 100% effect, therefore confirming what I said :) It is like that brain melting sentence "If I say that I am lying, am I lying?" If I claim that Dunning-Kruger Effect is 100% real is it really real? :) Marry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!
- tyu2 6y ago
  > I do not know much about subject but I confidently claimed 100% effect, therefore confirming what I said :) Well, that's not a Dunning-Kruger Effect either, but maybe a confirmation bias mixed with survivorship bias.
  - NiceWayToDoIT 6y ago
    Pffffffffff *amn it ... I can not be right about being wrong in a proper way ...

gmuslera 6y ago

My rationalization about that effect was around the idea that the deeper is your knowledge on a topic, the more aware you become of how much is left to know. Turning what you don't know that you don't know into something that you know that you don't know. Not being aware of things that you don't know gives you confidence.